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9 Killed in Czech Restaurant Shooting

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Jake Rugby Walrus666

Guy's a fückin' interior decorator. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians.

jiltloop

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

Guy's a ****in' interior decorator. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians.

No he didn't!

Manic Moran

It'll be interesting to see the repercussions on this, if any, and I doubt there will be many. It is easier to get a permit to carry a pistol in the Czech Republic than it is in the US. (The word "pistol" itself is Czech). For example, nobody living in Ireland can carry a gun on holiday in the US. You can in Czech Republic, though. People associate "gun culture" with the US, forgetting that European countries have one that is just as strong. The difference being, the Czechs have been a generally safe group of lads, with a low crime rate and no great history of such mass killings.

DavidRamsay99

25 shots and eight dead. The gunman seems to be a good shot. Two rounds in the body to take each one down and then a follow up in the head? I presume he must have some practice with firearms and some military training? If he is in his sixties as they say he probably was conscripted at some point in the past.

MonkeyTennis

Manic Moran wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see the repercussions on this, if any, and I doubt there will be many. It is easier to get a permit to carry a pistol in the Czech Republic than it is in the US. (The word "pistol" itself is Czech). For example, nobody living in Ireland can carry a gun on holiday in the US. You can in Czech Republic, though. People associate "gun culture" with the US, forgetting that European countries have one that is just as strong. The difference being, the Czechs have been a generally safe group of lads, with a low crime rate and no great history of such mass killings.

There are strict gun controls in the Czech Republic

BeerWolf

jiltloop wrote: »

Well that's what you get if you stand on people's crotches! Disabled or not.

lol... damn typo. I should learn to proof read before hitting post! >_<

I meant crutch :P

philstar

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

25 shots and eight dead. The gunman seems to be a good shot. Two rounds in the body to take each one down and then a follow up in the head? I presume he must have some practice with firearms and some military training? If he is in his sixties as they say he probably was conscripted at some point in the past.

ya great lad :rolleyes:

Desolation Of Smug

philstar wrote: »

ya great lad :rolleyes:

Well, you do get low-grade rampagers loosing off 250 shots and only hitting 5 people, so by the standards used to judge "effective postal-going", this lad is up there with "the best". The "best headcases", it has to be said, but still.

MadsL

jamesbere wrote: »

F**k sake not another one.

They are extremely rare in the Czech Republic.

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

There are strict gun controls in the Czech Republic

You'd want to do some reading there, and modify your definition of strict. It's a trivial matter to get a firearms licence in CZ. You don't even have to be Czech.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

DavidRamsay99

These mass shooting stories are just f*cking awful. I get sick in my stomach every time I hear about them.

[Deleted User]

Am waiting for people to use this to try to deflect attention from future Islamic jihadist attacks.

Based on what I know so far this does not appear to be anything religiously motivated.

Horrific story though......the world just seems to be going to sh*t these days

Egginacup

KungPao wrote: »

So, he Czeched out?

*groans*

Slo the Vak down for a minute

catallus

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

Guy's a fückin' interior decorator. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians.

Really? But his house looked like shít!

Badabing

Egginacup

Deleted User wrote: »

Am waiting for people to use this to try to deflect attention from future Islamic jihadist attacks.

Based on what I know so far this does not appear to be anything religiously motivated.

Horrific story though......the world just seems to be going to sh*t these days

Hardly....midway through the last century we had 10's of millions slaughtered, displaced, maimed or gassed to death in the same length of time between World Cups. A little perspective, now.

cerastes

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

Guy's a fückin' interior decorator. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians.

The Slovakians will need to be informed about this change.

Manic Moran wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see the repercussions on this, if any, and I doubt there will be many. It is easier to get a permit to carry a pistol in the Czech Republic than it is in the US. (The word "pistol" itself is Czech). For example, nobody living in Ireland can carry a gun on holiday in the US. You can in Czech Republic, though. People associate "gun culture" with the US, forgetting that European countries have one that is just as strong. The difference being, the Czechs have been a generally safe group of lads, with a low crime rate and no great history of such mass killings.

It is? I thought the word pistol came from an Italian word or town (pistola?)

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

25 shots and eight dead. The gunman seems to be a good shot. Two rounds in the body to take each one down and then a follow up in the head? I presume he must have some practice with firearms and some military training? If he is in his sixties as they say he probably was conscripted at some point in the past.

Was he? probably is for scared and running away victims, but I dont know the scenario, if he subdued them with fear and shot them at close range, maybe not so. I cant see anything about the disposition of the wounds? how are you coming up with that information? or is it just speculation?
Im more suprised it seems reported he did this solely with a pistol, Id have thought some other long arm would have been used.
At that age he may well have served in the then Warsaw pact forces of his country or possibly some other state force, not certain how you come up with the conscription bit either, while conscription did exist in those forces, it wasnt the only means of joining.

[Deleted User]

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Never too soon for some is it.

Have a word with yourself, moron.

How is it too soon? He's slating the perpetrator of this. C*nt deserves no respect.

MonkeyTennis

MadsL wrote: »

They are extremely rare in the Czech Republic.

You'd want to do some reading there, and modify your definition of strict. It's a trivial matter to get a firearms licence in CZ. You don't even have to be Czech.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

My partner is Czech and her father is a cop. You need to have a really really good reason to have a gun. Its similar to here

syklops

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

There are strict gun controls in the Czech Republic

Define strict.

syklops

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

My partner is Czech and her father is a cop. You need to have a really really good reason to have a gun. Its similar to here

Er no, its not. Its really quite easy to get a gun.

You need to do a safety training course with an exam at the end. If you are not fluent in Czech you can elect to bring an authorized translator with you.

For a foreigner you must have the permanent residency permit(easy to get)
You must be over 21, and provide a medical note of competency(gotten from a GP, GP visit costs about 4 euros)
Police background check(also easy to get)

Once you pass your test and satisfy the legal requirements its off to the dealer you go. Its not like here where your application for a .22 can be rejected because the Guard dealing with it was in a bad mood.

In quite a bureaucratic country like Czech Republic, getting a gun license is surprisingly straightforward for a foreigner, and even more straightforward for a native.

MonkeyTennis

syklops wrote: »

Define strict.

In comparison with the US.

I have witnessed Czech Beaurocracy at first hand many times. They take stamping **** REALLY seriously

syklops

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

In comparison with the US.

See above

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

I have witnessed Czech Beaurocracy at first hand many times. They take stamping **** REALLY seriously

Oh I know.

Sparks

syklops wrote: »

See above

Yeah, but he's comparing it to the US which has one of the most laissez-faire bodies of firearms law around (at least in some states); you're comparing it to Ireland which has the most draconian firearms legislation in Europe (and has to be in contention for the top ten worldwide). So you're looking at it from opposite extremes. No wonder you both have different ideas about whether or not it's strict.

syklops

Sparks wrote: »

Yeah, but he's comparing it to the US which has one of the most laissez-faire bodies of firearms law around (at least in some states); you're comparing it to Ireland which has the most draconian firearms legislation in Europe (and has to be in contention for the top ten worldwide). So you're looking at it from opposite extremes. No wonder you both have different ideas about whether or not it's strict.

Without comparing Ireland and the US, he said it was difficult to get a gun in the Czech Republic and that you needed a good reason. I said I disagree, it is relatively straight forward and no-one will ever ask you what you want it for, aside from perhaps the dealer.

Roger Hassenforder

syklops wrote: »

For a foreigner you must have the permanent residency permit(easy to get)
You must be over 21, and provide a medical note of competency(gotten from a GP, GP visit costs about 4 euros)
Police background check(also easy to get)
.

Jesus wept, only €4 for a GP

RIchieNouveau

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Jesus wept, only €4 for a GP

Pints must be priced in feckin minus figures!

MonkeyTennis

Fair enough. I just asked my missus, Ive never tried to get a gun.

To be honest we have lost the point a bit. There isnt much of a gun culture in the CZ from what I've seen. My first reaction to the story was that it was an individual who has lost the plot.

syklops

RIchieNouveau wrote: »

Pints must be priced in feckin minus figures!

A pint in a pub when I first went there 6 years ago was about a euro. 10 bottles of beer in a supermarket was about 4 euros, but you got about 12 cents a bottle back if you brought the bottles back so your next 10 pack would actually cost you 2.80 in euros.

A can of beer in the supermarket was about 15 cent a can, and 2 litre plastic bottles of beer could be bought for cheaper again per pint .

Unsurprisingly, I am a bit dubious about this upcoming alcohol bill which plans to stop "cheap alcohol" in Ireland.

syklops

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Fair enough. I just asked my missus, Ive never tried to get a gun.

To be honest we have lost the point a bit. There isnt much of a gun culture in the CZ from what I've seen. My first reaction to the story was that it was an individual who has lost the plot.

We are going to have to agree to disagree, because I saw first hand quite a vibrant gun culture, but I was interested in guns and shooting before I moved there so maybe I am more predisposed.

However despite widespread gun ownership and relatively lax laws this is the first massacre of its type in modern history and so has come as a massive shock to everyone.

Egginacup

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Why?

Because all the islamophobes can't go on a "bomb ISIS! Dark Ages! Savages!" rant now.

JupiterKid

Sympathies to the victims and their families. My first thought was that the gunman was a disgruntled loner and not part of a terrorist cell.