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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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Pairing Luke Marshall with Cave in the centre and Payne at fullback could be really good for the wolfhounds backline. They should know each other inside out. Then Gilroy could be on one wing.

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SaveOurLyric

sydthebeat wrote: »

That's just patently unashamedly incorrect

From a traditional perspective of back play, maybe. But from the attention to detail, make the simple things work, take no risks that will make mistakes or hand the ball to the opposition, and thats how the probability of winning a game is maximised perspective, correct. Schmidt style. Its unromantic. But is efficient, effective, professional, impressive, clever, disciplined. And successful.

Franno always has been a very astute reader of the game, (ever since his SCT winning days in fact (talk about farming the linout in the days before lifters - Franno was your man (and Brennie outside him to cap it off))).

aimee1 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/neil-francis-french-have-always-been-dirty-but-this-was-really-disturbing-31004330.htmlone of his better articles

He is not stuck in the past with the tradition of backs running ball in hand as the way to make ground. Accurately on the Schmidt wavelength.

.ak

aimee1 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/neil-francis-french-have-always-been-dirty-but-this-was-really-disturbing-31004330.html

one of his better articles

Absolute garbage. The bit about basteraud is, IMO, a disgusting unsubstantiated accusation. Absolute made up click bait.

CatFromHue

I don't understand the head thing with Basteraud, Sexton shouldn't have had his head in that position in the first place.

.ak

CatFromHue wrote: »

I don't understand the head thing with Basteraud, Sexton shouldn't have had his head in that position in the first place.

Exactly. Terrible technique from sexton.

gally74

.ak wrote: »

Exactly. Terrible technique from sexton.

Yep after 3 months off you would imagine he would have improved his technique

Tox56

.ak wrote: »

Exactly. Terrible technique from sexton.

For the carry where he collided with Bastareaud? Don't see what was wrong with that

[Deleted User]

Embarrassing

Neil Francis wrote:

On Saturday night somebody in the medical/psychology field made a point to me about the clash of heads between Sexton and Bastareaud in the 44th minute which drew blood. This was one of four dangerous contacts between the players.

The point was that Bastareaud had closed his eyes two to three feet before his head hit Sexton's. The issue here is that at that distance it is too soon to be a reflex action - a blink reflex happens at about six inches. The inference being that at two or three feet out you already knew what you were about to do.

.ak

Tox56 wrote: »

For the carry where he collided with Bastareaud? Don't see what was wrong with that

It's too high for one on one. Sexton's tackling technique has always been technically awful, but effective. However against bigger men like basteraud he's very vulnerable to clashing heads the way he stands up in the tackle.

Tox56

.ak wrote: »

It's too high for one on one. Sexton's tackling technique has always been technically awful, but effective. However against bigger men like basteraud he's very vulnerable to clashing heads the way he stands up in the tackle.

Unless I'm missing something, the clash where he was forced off for stitches was a carry rather than a tackle, and I don't think he did anything wrong, it was just unfortunate

His tackling technique could be improved but these things can happen anywhere

CatFromHue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubA58EJPGg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggi9SyN9fBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJViqgsvXS4

It's pretty much the exact same tackle each time.

Sexton has his head on the wrong side each time.

Tox56

CatFromHue wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubA58EJPGg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggi9SyN9fBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJViqgsvXS4

It's pretty much the exact same tackle each time.

Sexton has his head on the wrong side each time.

Yeah but I'm pretty sure they didn't cause damage, it was the carry that forced him off

Oregano_State

Tox56 wrote: »

Yeah but I'm pretty sure they didn't cause damage, it was the carry that forced him off

I don't agree.

If you're gonna consistently tackle 110kg centres with your head on the wrong side, you're going to have a bad time.

Synode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71-tfqW92M

What's Francis on about re: closing eyes. Ridiculous

Tox56

Oregano_State wrote: »

I don't agree.

If you're gonna consistently tackle 110kg centres with your head on the wrong side, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't particularly disagree that he needs to improve his technique, but the only time he actually did have a bad time in the French game was pure bad luck, not technique

CatFromHue

It must be a right pain to have to sit behind someone wearing a giant Leprechaun hat

CatFromHue

Tox56 wrote: »

I don't particularly disagree that he needs to improve his technique, but the only time he actually did have a bad time in the French game was pure bad luck, not technique

The time he got knocked out in Paris is that same as 2 of the tackles he made last weekend.

So you could argue it's pure luck that he didn't get knocked out again.

If that makes sense?

shuffol

I was surprised Sexton's failure to pass there didn't get more attention after the game, that was a far more certain score than the pass to Payne off the maul later in the game.

Yeah_Right

IMO Sexton has this tough guy ego that makes him want to take on monster ball carriers like Basteraud even though he has support coming in from both sides. It's a bit of a macho thing. The problem is, his technique is awful!! Firstly, don't go high on big, strong bast**ds. Secondly, get your head out of the way of big, strong, hard running c**ts.

Sorry, I nearly forgot... Franno is talking a load of ****e.

Tox56

Yeah_Right wrote: »

IMO Sexton has this tough guy ego that makes him want to take on monster ball carriers like Basteraud even though he has support coming in from both sides. It's a bit of a macho thing. The problem is, his technique is awful!! Firstly, don't go high on big, strong bast**ds. Secondly, get your head out of the way of big, strong, hard running c**ts.

The ego thing is true but it goes both ways, having his mental strength and confidence goes a long way to making him a brilliant 10

Yeah_Right

Tox56 wrote: »

The ego thing is true but it goes both ways, having his mental strength and confidence goes a long way to making him a brilliant 10

You are right. I just wish he would learn a better technique for tackling.

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shuffol wrote: »

I was surprised Sexton's failure to pass there didn't get more attention after the game, that was a far more certain score than the pass to Payne off the maul later in the game.

It got plenty of attention as our best chance. There's no debate since it was so clear cut and Zebo wasn't involved.

dub_skav

"Our game is going down the toilet and those charged with its governance stand by handing out toilet paper."

Well at least Franno is doing his part by providing more toilet paper.

thomond2006

Nobody will convince me that Bastareaud wanted to target Sexton's head. Aside from the obvious reasons, Bastareaud himself is actually a good character.

rrpc

thomond2006 wrote: »

Nobody will convince me that Bastareaud wanted to target Sexton's head. Aside from the obvious reasons, Bastareaud himself is actually a good character.

Exactly. People like to portray him as some sort of brute when he's actually a genuinely nice guy.

The 'reflex blink' argument is nonsense. Some players close their eyes instinctively before they make a tackle and not as a reflex. There's no way you could make that judgment without first examining footage of a number of tackles by the player. Very lazy and just wrong.

To be fair to Frano, some of the other stuff he wrote in that article was spot on. He even did some work all by himself!

TommyOM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

IMO Sexton has this tough guy ego that makes him want to take on monster ball carriers like Basteraud even though he has support coming in from both sides. It's a bit of a macho thing. The problem is, his technique is awful!! Firstly, don't go high on big, strong bast**ds. Secondly, get your head out of the way of big, strong, hard running c**ts.

Sorry, I nearly forgot... Franno is talking a load of ****e.

Jesus wept so Sexton gets criticized for actually making the tackles? We had an outhalf for Ireland for years who used to sit down before impact or not even attempt the tackles and it was a huge weakness for Ireland. Now we get an outhalf who is up there with Wilkinson in his pomp in tackling and hes criticized for trying to be 'macho'

We have an outhalf for the first time ever that could be considered the best in the world and some people still aren't happy. Honestly I think whatever Sexton does over his career he will still have detractors. While people on this board were saying Sexton was middling last week, newspapers were giving him 10/10s and the French media were saying he was the best player on the pitch. Some people have a bitter attitude towards the guy because he took the jersey from O'Gara when he came onto the scene (not saying you display that attitude by the way) and thats never going to change.

total former

TommyOM wrote: »

Jesus wept so Sexton gets criticized for actually making the tackles? We had an outhalf for Ireland for years who used to sit down before impact or not even attempt the tackles and it was a huge weakness for Ireland. Now we get an outhalf who is up there with Wilkinson in his pomp in tackling and hes criticized for trying to be 'macho'

We have an outhalf for the first time ever that could be considered the best in the world and some people still aren't happy. Honestly I think whatever Sexton does over his career he will still have detractors. While people on this board were saying Sexton was middling last week, newspapers were giving him 10/10s and the French media were saying he was the best player on the pitch. Some people have a bitter attitude towards the guy because he took the jersey from O'Gara when he came onto the scene (not saying you display that attitude by the way) and thats never going to change.

I don't think 'Yeah_Right' was criticising Sexton for making the tackles or for being macho, just for his technique. The point is that Neil Francis was blaming Bastareaud for charging into Sexton when the fault actually lies with Sexton for going in too high.

Overall, I'd say the above post is 100% wrong in literally every point it makes.

.ak

Nobody is criticising Sexton for making the tackles. He's probably the best defending outhalf in NH, the issue is his technique is awful and we've seen why you shouldn't tackle like that - your head is very vulnerable.

ionadnapóca

shuffol wrote: »

I was surprised Sexton's failure to pass there didn't get more attention after the game, that was a far more certain score than the pass to Payne off the maul later in the game.

Had to be down to his rustiness. Bit of confidence required to pass it out off his weaker side in that situation perhaps? Bit more game time and he should be ready to rumble v Eng. In last years game he shipped a knock to the head (oops!) early in the 2nd half, I think headbutted Robshaws back! Immediately kicked a touch finder penalty 10 yards, then through a forward pass and kicked out on the full after Englands try. Admittedly he kicked a good penalty in between all of that. But he made a good few errors in the 2nd half, at some point he had banjaxed his thumb.
Hopefully he goes well at the wkend and he will be back flinging the passes out to Henshaw & Payne to.....

BoardsMember

Neil Frances wrote:

On Saturday night somebody in the medical/psychology field made a point to me about the clash of heads between Sexton and Bastareaud in the 44th minute which drew blood. This was one of four dangerous contacts between the players.

The point was that Bastareaud had closed his eyes two to three feet before his head hit Sexton's. The issue here is that at that distance it is too soon to be a reflex action - a blink reflex happens at about six inches. The inference being that at two or three feet out you already knew what you were about to do.

This is wrong on so many levels.

What you were about to do - this is such a prejudiced was to look at it. What was about to happen is a more even minded evaluation.

They clashed heads because Johnny's head was not in the right place to avoid clashing, Bastareaud did nothing to contribute to it happening except run at Johnny with his head on his shoulders.

Bastareaud likely saw a big hit coming, or maybe he even saw the clash coming, and that's why he closed his eyes. It's completely irrelevant when he closed them, or whether it was a reflex or not.

Besides, distance has nothing to do with reflex, it's speed & distance. Who was this tulip of a doctor/psychology person.

Francis is indeed an attention tart.

.ak

There was no medical person, I thought that much was clear.