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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

RoundBox11

Pairing Luke Marshall with Cave in the centre and Payne at fullback could be really good for the wolfhounds backline. They should know each other inside out. Then Gilroy could be on one wing.

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.ak

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

Sometimes these warnings require repeating...

Please do not back-seat moderate.

Regarding awec's warning, people are allowed debate the merits of selection so long as they can stand over their criticism with reason. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no vague blanket comments will be tolerated; player x is overrated, or player x is useless etc.

dub_skav

.ak wrote: »

Please do not back-seat moderate.

Regarding awec's warning, people are allowed debate the merits of selection so long as they can stand over their criticism with reason. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no vague blanket comments will be tolerated; player x is overrated, or player x is useless etc.

Player x gets a very bad rap

First Up

shuffol wrote: »

If we go with a POM/SOB/Murphy backrow I think we'll stick with the kicking game. I can't see having much success getting over the gainline and so will be forced to kick quite a bit. What the 3 above offer is a very mobile unit who are suited to chasing kicks and trying to secure turnovers that way.

There is a three quarter line to be factored in. I could see the backs making good ground, with the support of that back row. It isn't just about 6 or 8 carrying into contact.

b.gud

TommyOM wrote: »

What accounts are these?

BOD talked about it on off the ball recently

Edit: it's in this one somewhere, haven't listened in a while so can't remember exact time

TommyOM

b.gud wrote: »

BOD talked about it on off the ball recently

BOD said that Henderson isn't as good in training as he is on the pitch?

I find that very hard to believe myself.

b.gud

TommyOM wrote: »

BOD said that Henderson isn't as good in training as he is on the pitch?

I find that very hard to believe myself.

Have a listen to it and judge for yourself

Teferi

b.gud wrote: »

BOD talked about it on off the ball recently

Edit: it's in this one somewhere, haven't listened in a while so can't remember exact time

6.16 into the podcast is where he mentions it.

.ak

SOB said Henderson is the most powerful man in the training camp. So, really, there's something there for anyone.

He's a very powerful man indeed, and still looks like he shaves once a month.

Volvic12

TommyOM wrote: »

BOD said that Henderson isn't as good in training as he is on the pitch?

I find that very hard to believe myself.

I heard this aswell. Mentioned something about remembering line-out calls can be his big issue - as far as I remember. Purely from memory so opened for correction.

bilston

Teferi wrote: »

6.16 into the podcast is where he mentions it.

I should point out that that podcast is about a month old and in a more recent podcast BOD was praising Henderson heavily for his performance for the Wolfhounds, although he did repeat his line about him remembering calls.

Still all the evidence points towards Schmidt rating him highly. He did call him into the Ireland squad for the 6Ns on the back of precisely no gametime whatsoever this season.

On the breakdown issue, clearly Jordi is "designed" beter for poaching etc but one thing I've really noticed from Henderson since his return from injury is a big upgrade in his breakdown work. I think he has been very impressive and I still have no idea why Barnes gave a scrum to France on Sat after Henderson turned the ball over in the final minute.

rrpc

bilston wrote: »

...I still have no idea why Barnes gave a scrum to France on Sat after Henderson turned the ball over in the final minute.

It was their turn :rolleyes:

Clearlier

bilston wrote: »

On the breakdown issue, clearly Jordi is "designed" beter for poaching etc but one thing I've really noticed from Henderson since his return from injury is a big upgrade in his breakdown work. I think he has been very impressive and I still have no idea why Barnes gave a scrum to France on Sat after Henderson turned the ball over in the final minute.

If I'm thinking about the correct incident he had gotten in the way of play a few seconds before. If I'm being generous he needed a few seconds to work out what he should do in such a situation. It was unfortunate because his impeding of play looked to me to have disadvantaged Ireland. Thing to remember about Barnes is that he's an 'away' referee. If in doubt he favours the away side. It's very unusual but makes a lot (not all obviously) of his decisions easier to comprehend when viewed through that prism although this on in particular was just IMO him taking his time to come to a decision which I think probably adhered to the letter of the law.

The Pheasant2

I noticed Jonny May made a few defensive errors against the Italians...maybe one to target? (presuming he isn't dropped for butchering a guaranteed try)

sydthebeat

England are definitely "get at"able... Our back line will not give the space and time both wales and italy gave them, thus robbing them of their most potent attacking platform so far.

I think it will come down to a kicking from the tee contest and ford may crack under the pressure.

Our discipline will have to be top notch, and our scrum to get at least parity.

kuang1

One of the best features to ireland under JS, is how difficult it is for the opposition to know exactly what our gameplan is. We are a long way from being a sussed-out, predictable side.

We lost in Twickenham 12 months ago by 3 points, and that was a real knife-edge game. We haven't been beaten since then.

We will beat England, and by 8+ points.

Anyone know what happens if we win our next 10 competitive games?!

Sangre

kuang1 wrote: »

One of the best features to ireland under JS, is how difficult it is for the opposition to know exactly what our gameplan is. We are a long way from being a sussed-out, predictable side.

We lost in Twickenham 12 months ago by 3 points, and that was a real knife-edge game. We haven't been beaten since then.

We will beat England, and by 8+ points.

Anyone know what happens if we win our next 10 competitive games?!

From memory, we played much more of a running game last year against England. We also used our line-outs for first phase ball, rather than attempting to maul as we had very successfully done up until then.

molloyjh

Sangre wrote: »

From memory, we played much more of a running game last year against England. We also used our line-outs for first phase ball, rather than attempting to maul as we had very successfully done up until then.

Yeah England won that one with an absolutely class defence and taking the try when the opportunity arose.

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kuang1 wrote: »

Anyone know what happens if we win our next 10 competitive games?!

We can ride our flying pigs to a recently frozen-over hell?

Volvic12

I expect Ireland to beat England. I also expect us to play the exact same we we have since JS took over (bar the NZ game). Murray box kick or Sexton Garryowens - good kick chase and either win it back or force opposition to make mistakes, win penalty, take 3 points.
I'm not questioning this Irish teams ability to get results - record speaks for itself. All depends whether or not you believe it is all about results or whether team should try to play exciting rugby aswell. Can the two be done in conjunction in Ireland? Maybe not and maybe JS realises this.
I'm also not questioning Schmidt's ability to play good rugby - showed with Leinster that he is one of the worlds best at playing attacking Rugby. However, poor attacking display against Italy followed by ZERO line breaks against France makes for some shocking reading.
Summed up by the fact that Madigan is not 12 or Fitzgerald/Earls not 13 or 15. All about defence and ability to be good under high ball for good kick chase..
Not about attacking, offloads, freedom of expression etc.

kuang1

wittycynic wrote: »

We can ride our flying pigs to a recently frozen-over hell?

Lol...was thinking more along the lines of mahatma g standing on grafton street holding a "free hugs" sign.

kuang1

Sangre wrote: »

From memory, we played much more of a running game last year against England. We also used our line-outs for first phase ball, rather than attempting to maul as we had very successfully done up until then.

Exactly. I remember cursing the non-use of the maul after that game. But with hindsight it may well have proved ineffective against them.

In Joe we trust.

He'll have the right plan. I for one ain't brave enough to guess exactly what it is though.

CIARAN_BOYLE

kuang1 wrote: »

Anyone know what happens if we win our next 10 competitive games?!

World cup win

Yeah_Right

kuang1 wrote: »

Anyone know what happens if we win our next 10 competitive games?!

World record for test wins. And not just the just Tier 1 record.

kuang1

Yeah_Right wrote: »

World record for test wins. And not just the just Tier 1 record.

Full marks. This is precisely what I remind myself of when my imagination gets the better of me.

Clearlier

kuang1 wrote: »

Full marks. This is precisely what I remind myself of when my imagination gets the better of me.

Do you mean consecutive test wins or is there somebody who measures consecutive competitive test wins?

Podge_irl

Clearlier wrote: »

Do you mean consecutive test wins or is there somebody who measures consecutive competitive test wins?

I don't think any official distinction exists. A test is just a test.

Yeah_Right

kuang1 wrote: »

Full marks. This is precisely what I remind myself of when my imagination gets the better of me.

Woohoo!! When do I get my flying pig?

Do You Even Squat

Volvic12 wrote: »

Summed up by the fact that Fitzgerald not 13 or 15.
.

I agree fitzy isnt a 15 but he is a smashing 13. i prefer him playing out on the wing but he has been the form 13 in ireland this year (along with Henshaw).

errlloyd

Clearlier wrote: »

If I'm thinking about the correct incident he had gotten in the way of play a few seconds before. If I'm being generous he needed a few seconds to work out what he should do in such a situation. It was unfortunate because his impeding of play looked to me to have disadvantaged Ireland. Thing to remember about Barnes is that he's an 'away' referee. If in doubt he favours the away side. It's very unusual but makes a lot (not all obviously) of his decisions easier to comprehend when viewed through that prism although this on in particular was just IMO him taking his time to come to a decision which I think probably adhered to the letter of the law.

I don't think that is true, if it is it certainly hasn't always been true.

When he reffed Clermont v Leinster in 2012 his record was something like 1 away win in 27 games.

total former

Barnes was always known as a "homer" when Ireland were playing away. When we were playing Wales last year, he was anti-Ireland. Now he's an "away" ref apparently.

When the ref gets in the way, the team in possession gets a scrum. That's the rule.