register as builder for one off house

You cannot register yourself as a builder without legally being the director of a building company. So documentation proving this may be required.

kceire wrote: »

You cannot register yourself as a builder without legally being the director of a building company. So documentation proving this may be required.

Are you sure?

You can be a sole trader in this country without having to register anything with the cro.

sydthebeat wrote: »

Are you sure?

You can be a sole trader in this country without having to register anything with the cro.

I thought that was the whole issue with self builds?
I'm open to correction though as we do t get a lot of self builds in the city.

I thought you had to sign a declaration stating you are a director of a company or some sort on the undertaking certificate for the builder while lodging a commencement notice.

cyfac

kceire wrote: »

I thought that was the whole issue with self builds?
I'm open to correction though as we do t get a lot of self builds in the city.

I thought you had to sign a declaration stating you are a director of a company or some sort on the undertaking certificate for the builder while lodging a commencement notice.

Hi again thanks for the contribution so far you sign off on the competence of the build at the end along with your engineer/architecht you N/A the director declaration as to sign that would be misleading as you are not a director of a builders firm but this is getting away from the direction of my original post regards registration as a builder thanks

cyfac wrote: »

Hi again thanks for the contribution so far you sign off on the competence of the build at the end along with your engineer/architecht you N/A the director declaration as to sign that would be misleading as you are not a director of a builders firm but this is getting away from the direction of my original post regards registration as a builder thanks

Right I get you now, sorry.
Registration with the CIRI is what you are talking about yeah?

galwaytt

..well this suggest you can still self-build........... http://www.iaosb.com/2014-02-26%20Information%20Note%20on%20implications%20of%20SI%20No%209%20of%202014%20for%20Self%20Builders.pdf

as with many other aspects of SI 9....

what the department consider SI 9 to say is at odds with what SI 9 actually says.

At commencement, they will notify the local authority that they themselves
are the builder and sign the builder’s undertaking required for building
control purposes.

... does not deal with the fact that what they are actually asked to sign is that they are a director or principle of a building company.

if SI 9 is intended to be as they have outlined in that press release, then they should remove any reference to 'director or principle of a building company'... but they havent, and wont.... why not??

it must be understood that in a constitutional democracy, is not the prerogative of the Minister, or his officials, to interpret the law.
That is to be done by the courts.

All I have done is register with bcms and engineer was happy with this and said nothing else needed to be done. Hope this helps

Shooter_galway wrote: »

All I have done is register with bcms and engineer was happy with this and said nothing else needed to be done. Hope this helps

Did you have any previous building development experience?
Genuinely interested to know what level of experience is required to register.

I can say the only experience I had was with Lego blocks! Some of in laws and cousins are builders so steering me in the right direction

Shooter_galway wrote: »

I can say the only experience I had was with Lego blocks! Some of in laws and cousins are builders so steering me in the right direction

So just fill out an on line form and pay €600 ?

Nope didn't have to pay 600 quid?! Is there a charge?

cyfac

Shooter_galway wrote: »

Nope didn't have to pay 600 quid?! Is there a charge?

600 quid kicks in fron 1st march onwards

sydthebeat wrote: »

Did you have any previous building development experience?
Genuinely interested to know what level of experience is required to register.

Shooter_galway wrote: »

All I have done is register with bcms and engineer was happy with this and said nothing else needed to be done. Hope this helps

Shooter_galway wrote: »

I can say the only experience I had was with Lego blocks! Some of in laws and cousins are builders so steering me in the right direction

sydthebeat wrote: »

So just fill out an on line form and pay €600 ?

He only registered with the BCMS system. That's nothing, that doesn't even put you anywhere near the register. I could register my granny on the BCMS system and nobody would ever know.

It might be hassle when somebody comes looking for builders insurance, or defects liability or something along those lines.

Shooter_galway wrote: »

Nope didn't have to pay 600 quid?! Is there a charge?

How did you get around the requirements ?

They must adhere to an industry code of ethics and commitments.
They must demonstrate that they have construction competence and experience generally for a period of no less than three years.
They must be tax compliant.
All members of CIRI must commit to undertaking continuous professional development (CPD).
Everyone on the register must comply with the health and safety regulations relating to the construction industry.
They must have a knowledge and understanding of the latest building standards and regulations and commit to adhering to them.
They must undertake an induction training course.

http://cif.ie/news-feed/news/380-ciri-construction-industry-register-ireland.html

If I'm not mistaken there was an amendment that tan until 31st of Dec where there was a bit of a loop hole for self builds/one off houses.. Also have had discussions with local planning manager and all seems OK.. Now as I said I'm open to correction.

kceire wrote: »

He only registered with the BCMS system. That's nothing, that doesn't even put you anywhere near the register. I could register my granny on the BCMS system and nobody would ever know.
.

my bad!!

youre completely correct... i was assuming he said he registered with CIRI

registering with BCMS means absolutely nothing, and your engineer being "happy" with that is not a sign that instills confidence

hes the one that has to be registered.

As Far as I'm aware under the amendment last year with one off houses as long as both are registered that satisfies council requirements. I'm open to correction on that but that's gist of what I got from planning manager last July when was talking to him.

Shooter_galway wrote: »

As Far as I'm aware under the amendment last year with one off houses as long as both are registered that satisfies council requirements. I'm open to correction on that but that's gist of what I got from planning manager last July when was talking to him.

The BCMS is the building control management system.
This is where architects, engineers and surveyors submit commencement notices under SI 9

CIRI is the register for builders

why did you register under the BCMS?

Because both engineer and planning manager advised me too, as it requires two signatures for sign off from engineer and builder

Shooter_galway wrote: »

Because both engineer and planning manager advised me too, as it requires two signatures for sign off from engineer and builder

in essence, you have to do this anyway to submit a commencement notice.

It just means that your engineer is happy to work with a novice unregistered "builder"

and it means that when you sign the "undertaking by builder" form, you are stating that you are a principle or director of a building company.

also that you are competent to undertake the works concerned
and that you undertake to ensure that any persons employed or engaged by me to undertake any of the works involved will be competent to undertake such works

Robert Allen

Sorry guys im a little confused.

1 - I have permission to build under the old regs.
2 - My "Architect" is not actually registered.
3 - My bank are looking for somebody who is registered in order to do a costings/mortgage draw down.

Do you know where is stand in terms of all mentioned above? Can i register as the builder or will i have to pay this é600 fee? Will i getcaught further down the line somewhere in terms of regulations and rules etc?

Any advice is greatly appreciated,

Regards,

Very, VERY confused self builer!!!

Robert Allen wrote: »

Sorry guys im a little confused.

1 - I have permission to build under the old regs.
2 - My "Architect" is not actually registered.
3 - My bank are looking for somebody who is registered in order to do a costings/mortgage draw down.

Do you know where is stand in terms of all mentioned above? Can i register as the builder or will i have to pay this é600 fee? Will i getcaught further down the line somewhere in terms of regulations and rules etc?

Any advice is greatly appreciated,

Regards,

Very, VERY confused self builer!!!

is your bank looking for an "architect" who is registered?

if so, you need to find one.

it will be that persons decision whether to work with you as a novice self builder or not.

BryanF

Robert Allen wrote: »

Sorry guys im a little confused.

1 - I have permission to build under the old regs.
2 - My "Architect" is not actually registered.
3 - My bank are looking for somebody who is registered in order to do a costings/mortgage draw down.

Do you know where is stand in terms of all mentioned above? Can i register as the builder or will i have to pay this é600 fee? Will i getcaught further down the line somewhere in terms of regulations and rules etc?

Any advice is greatly appreciated,

Regards,

Very, VERY confused self builer!!!

Have you started to build?
Did you submitted a commencement notice before last March ???

BryanF wrote: »

Have you started to build?
Did you submitted a commencement notice before last March ???

I could be wrong but as long as planning was submitted by march and commencement notice submitted before December 31st you can avail of the s9 amendment?? I'm open to correction on that. Regardless of loopholes etc I know county councils are imposing facets of the new regs on houses that were well underway by march last year according to a friend of mine working for an engineer.

BryanF

Shooter_galway wrote: »

I could be wrong but as long as planning was submitted by march and commencement notice submitted before December 31st you can avail of the s9 amendment?? I'm open to correction on that. Regardless of loopholes etc I know county councils are imposing facets of the new regs on houses that were well underway by march last year according to a friend of mine working for an engineer.

every bit of this is rubbish

would you read this please http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad,35135,en.pdf

BryanF wrote: »

every bit of this is rubbish

would you read this please http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad,35135,en.pdf

Which part in your expert opinion of my comment is rubbish?

Shooter_galway wrote: »

As Far as I'm aware under the amendment last year with one off houses as long as both are registered that satisfies council requirements. I'm open to correction on that but that's gist of what I got from planning manager last July when was talking to him.

Shooter_galway wrote: »

I could be wrong but as long as planning was submitted by march and commencement notice submitted before December 31st you can avail of the s9 amendment?? I'm open to correction on that. Regardless of loopholes etc I know county councils are imposing facets of the new regs on houses that were well underway by march last year according to a friend of mine working for an engineer.

Shooter_galway wrote: »

Which part in your expert opinion of my comment is rubbish?

All of your info is rubbish here. There was no amendment on the 31st December.
The grant date of your planning nothing whatsoever got to do with your commencement notice and BCMS. you really need to rethink what your plans are here as I think you are going to find out the truth when it's too late.