alastair wrote: » They could certainly provide info about the range of possible slots they're in discussions over. That wouldn't tie them to any specific commitment, but at least offer a ballpark over potentially disruptive blocks. Croke Park will already know the range of possibilities for which tours could slot into their available blocks - even if they don't want to discuss the specific gig dates ahead of seeking planning permission.
Get Real wrote: » It may have been said on here, and they're always thrown somewhere in there with the speculation, but u2? Now, first thing that rules them out is this tour they're doing indoor arenas. However: 1) when they announced their tour, they left Ireland out. 2) this is because Ireland will recieve a "special" dedicated slot for the tour. 3) the tour starts in may, running up til oct/nov. The shows play with relative frequency, apart from August, when there is an entire 1 MONTH break. Their last concert is around 30/31 July in New york, then nothing mentioned for August, before venues and tickets are available in September in Europe. 4) I have come to the conclusion that the Irish part of the tour may well be in August as it is the only "free slot" the band have to include Ireland on its tour. They said from the outset special arrangements would be announced at a later date for Ireland. This could be a reason for an argument against point (1) that its indoor venues this tour. Also, they finish July 30th in New York, then start back September 4th in Italy.
ghostdancer wrote: » August is when the GAA Championships are at the busiest, so pretty much no chance there's a gig (U2 or otherwise) then. Coldplay in late June using the same stage that will be set up for The Script. either the same weekend as The Script, or the following weekend on whichever night they're not playing Glastonbury. it will probably be announced when Coldplay themselves a world tour, hence MCD/Aiken making no comment as the tour will be announced in one go by the band when they're ready.
nm wrote: » Sure I can help you out there - it's going to be between June 1 and September 30 and not on any GAA match day.
nm wrote: » They don't know and speculation from them would only end up in residents going mental if it happened on another date to what they had planned around. They need to hang on until confirmation.
nm wrote: » Sure I can help you out there - it's going to be between June 1 and September 30 and not on any GAA match day. They don't know and speculation from them would only end up in residents going mental if it happened on another date to what they had planned around. They need to hang on until confirmation.
chickenlicken2 wrote: » Appreciate that. My point is 1. There was an announcement by Croke Park Monday that another large gig will take place over the summer. 2. What I pick up from the tone of the piece in the Times is assurances were given last year that the residents would be taken into consideration yet they haven't received any communication from the GAA on this.
ghostdancer wrote: » the GAA don't need to give them any communication and don't owe them anything
ghostdancer wrote: » the GAA don't need to give them any communication and don't owe them anything.
ghostdancer wrote: » there is nothing to suggest that they haven't already been "taken into consideration" when this gig was planned.
ghostdancer wrote: » the GAA don't need to give them any communication and don't owe them anything. there is nothing to suggest that they haven't already been "taken into consideration" when this gig was planned.
alastair wrote: » Yes they do, and yes, they do. Croke Park have an obligation of consideration to the community they operate within - a reality that they acknowledge, even if you don't quite grasp that obligation. And yes, they owe the local community plenty in terms of disruption and years of breaching their terms of operation. As I say, I personally don't mind the gigs. Croke Park do much good in the area, but that doesn't give them carte blanche to ride roughshod over legitimate community concerns. There are some residents with an axe to grind regarding Croke Park, but there's a greater number who just became sick of tolerating a level of nuisance above and beyond.
alastair wrote: » Well, there is actually. They/we know nothing about it, which is something of a suggestion. Unless you're suggesting that Croke Park are best placed to determine what's best for the local community, rather than the community itself?
chickenlicken2 wrote: » Given the dramatics and consequences of last year; courtesy and communication will clearly get a more positive result from the concerned parties. I'm not suggesting they hold public consultation with the residents or indeed they bend over backwards for them. However affording the respect to them to communicate directly with them, acknowledge concerns and listen can only serve to benefit all parties. The gent in the article is saying they haven't received any information. That is what I picked up from it. A press announcement was made early last week by croke park, media speculation has been rife since. A simple direct letter to the residents group with exactly the same information as the press release would imply that they are being acknowledged. Absolutely there is no obligation to do this. However it's well accepted; you catch more flies with sugar than vinegar.
ghostdancer wrote: » an obligation of consideration can still be carried out without communication with residents. none of that means that they haven't been taken into consideration. just because they haven't come and told you how they did it and what their conclusions were doesn't mean it wasn't done.
ghostdancer wrote: » given that this will be no different to concerts that are held every year, then I don't see what exactly a small number of residents are expecting right now. it's no different to knowing that GAA matches will occur and that the usual plans and restrictions will occur when those matches are announced.
alastair wrote: » It is different though. We know when games will take place, from the annual Croke Park fixtures calendar, that's published well ahead of time. The usual restrictions associated with even the bigger games don't really compare with the hassle associated with gigs - far longer road closures, rigging and de-rigging, staging trucks, people pissing in the streets, greater potential for general idiocy, etc. And what the residents expect is made quite clear in the IT article - information about the potential dates of disruption in a timely fashion.
nm wrote: » They don't know exactly when the dates will be, as it's still being finalised (I presume). To give a list of maybes would be ridiculous, it would cause more problems than it solves.
alastair wrote: » Ah, so you do believe it's down to Croke Park to determine what's best for the local residents, without reference to them. It's one point of view. I guess.
alastair wrote: » What problems would it cause, exactly?
ghostdancer wrote: » moaning about not being given the date just quite yet is pathetic really.
nm wrote: » People could plan around incorrect dates. It literally solves nothing while the dates are unconfirmed (except potentially cause uproar if/when it changes).
alastair wrote: » No need for Croke Park to provide incorrect dates. They already know the dates, so at a minimum, they can say, rule out August in it's entirity, and highlight week one of July as the week the gigs will take place in. Lots of ways to provide useful information to those working around the disruption, without letting any cats out of bags.
nm wrote: » I'm not a promoter myself but I can't imagine the process is to decide a date, and then go looking to book an act that can do that date. Surely they are waiting on confirmation from all involved parties themselves and when that happens on a date that everyone can do, the information is given out. Until that happens the venue date is probably flexible and there would always be the risk of change. I would not give out unconfirmed dates, especially to residents with such a colourful history of complaining. They know from last year it'll be like walking on eggshells. I'm sure as soon as they can let the residents know the solid dates, they will.
Tearin It Up wrote: » Here, it can happen anytime in May, June maybe the third week in July. Not on a match day on May 31st, the last weekend june, Or three weekends in July, or August. Or the day the script plays on June 20th
John_Rambo wrote: » Well, that narrows it down!
nm wrote: » But that's exactly the point - they don't have the exact date nailed down
John_Rambo wrote: » Who told you that? Do you work there? If you do, why are you making announcements about upcoming gigs when you don't even have a date?
nm wrote: » But that's exactly the point - they don't have the exact date nailed down, so any information at this stage is not worth it's salt.
nm wrote: » Seems the real point is just that the residents want them to say something (anything), so the above is as good as anything else.
