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wackokid

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

As a footballer John O Rourke is better than Colm O Driscoll.....John O can score with both feet his kickpassing is better and is as tough as nails ....but Colm adds a lot too I saw him last sunday take and give hits bigtime for the team stuff that will not win him any allstars or motm awards...to be fair to him he has the Brian Cody attidude "you don't die for the cause ,you kill for the cause ".....can both start on the team ? not sure I would still pick John O no doubt but Colm is very important as well.

You got it in one CORKDOUBLE. That should settle the argument and TTM won't choke on his hat.

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

You got it in one CORKDOUBLE. That should settle the argument and TTM won't choke on his hat.

:-)

Deco99

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

As a footballer John O Rourke is better than Colm O Driscoll.....John O can score with both feet his kickpassing is better and is as tough as nails ....but Colm adds a lot too I saw him last sunday take and give hits bigtime for the team stuff that will not win him any allstars or motm awards...to be fair to him he has the Brian Cody attidude "you don't die for the cause ,you kill for the cause ".....can both start on the team ? not sure I would still pick John O no doubt but Colm is very important as well.

I'm sorry but all the other workhorse players on successful teams have had a scoring threat to them, Dooher, Galvin, Paul Flynn, Donncha Walsh even pops up regularly on scoresheet. Whilst I appreciate the little unseen things a player may add such as hits, how many of them must he put in to equate to a score being taken when it presents itself down the other end? Especially from distance against a blanket defence. A player can be trained into playing the defensive system but they must show the ability and courage to take on a score at the other end too, if you want to win. Until Colm adds that you would have to side with O'Rourke, but I'd take a fit P Kelly anyday over both.

thinkstoomuch1

The Monaghan Senior Football Team for their 1st home Allianz League game is as follows

1Rory BegganRuairí Ó BeagáinAn Bhoth
2Conor BoyleConchúr Ó BaoilCluain Tiobraid
3Drew WylieAindreas WylieBéal Átha Beithe
4Ryan WylieRiain WylieBéal Átha Beithe
5Dessie MoneDeasún MocháinCluain Tiobraid
6Fintan KellyFionáin Ó CeallaighCluain Eois
7Kieran DuffyCiáran Ó DufaighLeachtain
8Neil McAdamNiall Mac AdaimNa Clairsigh Mhuineacháin
9Dick ClerkinRisteard Ó CléirchínCurraichín
10Darren HughesDarren Ó hAodhaAn Bhoth
11Stephen GolloglyStíofán Mac an GhallóglaighCarraig Mhacaire Rois
12Ryan Mc AnespieRian Mac Giolla EaspaigScairbh na gCaorach
13Dermot MaloneDiarmaid Ó MaoileainFág An Bealach
14Daniel McKennaDónall Mac CionnaithGaeil Triúcha
15Kieran HughesCiarán Ó hAodhaAn Bhoth
16Enda DuffyÉanna Ó DufaighDruim Shamhain
17John Mc CarronSean Mac CearáinGaeil Triúcha
18Paddy McGuiganPádraig Mag UiginnCraobh Mháirtin
19Karl O’ConnellCarl Ó ConaillTigh Thalainn
20Vinny CoreyUinseann Ó ComhraíCluain Tiobraid
21Paul FinlayPól Ó FionnlaighBéal Átha Beithe
22Conor McManusConchur Mac MaghnúisCluain Tiobraid
23Padraig DonaghyPádraig Mac DonnchaidhDomhnach Maighean
24Owen DuffyEoin Ó DufaighLeachtain
25Brendan McElroyBreandán Mac Giolla RuaFág an Bealach
26Paul MeeganPól Ó MiagáinInis Caoin

]

Strong team with around ten regulars

McManus on subs all star so he'd loss not starting but still a sub
Dick Clerkin one honest committed footballer you get extremely physical but imo lacks speed and craft and guile and cork midfield should have better him but In the air huge worry to be honest

Beggan goalies will score any forty fives within range and good free taker
Monaghan lack pace and cork can beat them right team not t sure this team can
Kerrigan has track Moyne man mark them as defender as he attacks from deep
Monaghan limited but ultra blanket and at home will tesr cork composure and imo patient beat the blanket defence and imo my huge worry is where scores come from as individuals talent there forwards but cohesion fluency is not there as seen by one point play v Waterford sixty minutes, score less half v tipperary just eight from play but just six from play forward v Dublin and yet Dublin went short kick outs

Imo huge concerns for Sunday cork if right team would win but I have concerns be honest

Looking at sub what could be bruising physical intense game hazel Hayes and cussen and barry o driscoll or Kevin imo don't pack the physical punch for these teams

Have bit chance but I hope doesn't rain as this panel imo not one I'd want go war with in dog fight war of attrition

thinkstoomuch1

Brilliant article articulate awesmoric insight cork attacking ans style play by Barry o Donovan tonight echo

I can't link it as not link like Monday piece also

Some he's pieces are link others you can't
It's pity as great reads
Reason mentioned it is he mentioned o rourke having viral role cork and paramount success it
He mentioned in detail he's creative passing and two points
No mention at all colm o driscoll
Brian few other mentioned
Case point again imo rourke offers cork so much and I can't believe not starting or only started last week over injury enforced
It's not pick guys like o rourke give me doubts management selection

zetecescort

Best of luck to Rochestown and Clonakilty tomorrow in Corn Ui Mhuiri semifinals

St. Francis College Rochestown v St Brendans Killarney
Venue: Carrigoon, Mallow 12:30pm
Referee: Kevin Walsh

Clonakilty CC v Chorca Dhuibhne
Venue: Knocknagree 1:30pm
Referee: Richard Moloney

Deco99

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Brilliant article articulate awesmoric insight cork attacking ans style play by Barry o Donovan tonight echo

I can't link it as not link like Monday piece also

Some he's pieces are link others you can't
It's pity as great reads
Reason mentioned it is he mentioned o rourke having viral role cork and paramount success it
He mentioned in detail he's creative passing and two points
No mention at all colm o driscoll
Brian few other mentioned
Case point again imo rourke offers cork so much and I can't believe not starting or only started last week over injury enforced
It's not pick guys like o rourke give me doubts management selection

To be honest I dont think the team named will line out. So we'll have to wait til sunday to really see who's dropped.

thinkstoomuch1

Deco99 wrote: »

To be honest I dont think the team named will line out. So we'll have to wait til sunday to really see who's dropped.

I hope you right but Cuthbert never picked a dummy team always any changes there injury forced

I can't see it changing

Hurleratheart

zetecescort wrote: »

Best of luck to Rochestown and Clonakilty tomorrow in Corn Ui Mhuiri semifinals

St. Francis College Rochestown v St Brendans Killarney
Venue: Carrigoon, Mallow 12:30pm
Referee: Kevin Walsh

Clonakilty CC v Chorca Dhuibhne
Venue: Knocknagree 1:30pm
Referee: Richard Moloney

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thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

X 1

Best luck tomorrow I won't make game but would appreciate a match report please if you can
Hard game call like you said wouldn't be suprised thry win but kerry team be favourite
You should do a preview as rochestown being your team you would know lot bout them

CORKDOUBLE

That's a very positive interview from Paul Kerrigan in the Examiner today...

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/well-travelled-paulnbspkerrigan-is-happy-to-settle-back-with-cork-311285.html

Good interview but would not regard it as time changing as I saud this before kerrigan is not stranger interview as I could link many Downe he past and imo needs stay away from media until constancy is brought to he's performance as he does lit talking talk and right words but ain concession big games and he's around long enough now to be making a mark

Hw spoke similar one few players after cuthbhert appointment last year and talk was awesome, you think not think worry about

I always get feeling some teams same old fells media all time
I wouldn't have him anywhere near media as he's done plenty time and cork fans won't judge him this performance on field is to be judged

John Hayes another one always does interviews due one at least this campaign based previous years as is cussen
Doc etc should be doing then or cadogan as there actually perform in the field or shields

wackokid

It's getting tiresome at this stage................

Figsy32

Unbelievable win for Rochestown. 1-10 to 1-9. Tremendous heart shown by this group yet again.

CORKDOUBLE

Mighty Mighty Rochestown .....well done lads....

wackokid

Sean Powter is some man for one man. The word lose just doesn't exist in his vocabulary. Mighty stuff.

ShamoBuc

Super result for the lads. Delighted for them!

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

Sean Powter is some man for one man. The word lose just doesn't exist in his vocabulary. Mighty stuff.

Who else stood out wacko???!

Was power corner back?

OffalyMedic

Can someone please tell me where exactally is nemo rangers gaa club in cork...directions from UCC would be great but address is fine also

wackokid

shaunac93 wrote: »

Can someone please tell me where exactally is nemo rangers gaa club in cork...directions from UCC would be great but address is fine also

Get yourself to Turners Cross and head east on the South Douglas Road for a few miles keeping a look out on your right for 'TRAWBEG' . Turn in there and go straight 'till you see the mighty black & green gates.
If you have a smart phone Google Maps will talk you through this journey with a luvly American Accent. She might not pronounce 'Tráwbeg' properly....lol

darragh_haven

Cork had a great win against Monaghan. Colm O'Neill was supposed to be brilliant.
Monaghan 1:16 Cork 2:14

The White Feather

darragh_haven wrote: »

Cork had a great win against Monaghan. Colm O'Neill was supposed to be brilliant.
Monaghan 1:16 Cork 2:14

A great win for Cork!! In case anyone doesn't know, there is deferred coverage on TG4 right now with second half about to begin as I write this!

Cork Ladies beat Kerry Ladies 1-13 to 1-12 Also!!

Scarecrow 2

A truly awesome brilliant result for Cork in Monaghan today.

Watching it on Tg4 its clear to see we have a serious team this year.

Delighted for Cubhert a true Cork gael that gets unwarranted abuse on here. He is clearly on the right path. Was reading Kerrigan yesterday he said that they went very defensive against Waterford for a reason and the result didn't matter.

ciarriaithuaidh

Lads, Colm O'Neill is something else. 3 ACL operations and still shredding defenders like he did today. Have the highest regard for him.

rebelomar

Great result today.

Performance was definitely average and you would hope management and players recrecognise this.

The decision making from our lads after Colms second goal till the final whistle was really poor.

This was epitomised by our goalkeeper's carry on in injury time...Sweet Jesus like that stuff is just unacceptable at any level. Should have cost us the win and also giving away the free and extra yards for the last kick.

Any ref is going to be dying to give a free in that situation to draw the game. It's just in their DNA. We should have more cop on.

Colm was immense and so was Cadogan. He looks the player he should be now the hurling is gone.

Lots of positives but if we want to be in the micx come summer time we need to fine tune the blanket and our decision making.

Too many times we allowed our full back line to be exposed 1v1 today and a better side then this average Monaghan team will expose this.

Still we've got the win and you have to be happy with that. Well done to the lads and management as both the work rate and attitude were outstanding again.

ShamoBuc

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

A truly awesome brilliant result for Cork in Monaghan today.

Watching it on Tg4 its clear to see we have a serious team this year.

Delighted for Cubhert a true Cork gael that gets unwarranted abuse on here. He is clearly on the right path. Was reading Kerrigan yesterday he said that they went very defensive against Waterford for a reason and the result didn't matter.

'Cuthbert gets Unwarrented abuse in here' - are you having a laugh? He gets abuse that is totally warranted based on his managerial reign!!! He wins 2 lge games and he's the messiah??? You have a very short and limited memory.

Great result today, didn't see it coming. Thought Monaghan at home would win but a fantastic Colm O'Neill scoring performance helped no end. Nice to see Cadogan get up and finish off a move - he looks very fit for this time of year .
Plenty of good performances but clearly a lot to do also.

Not a fan of a keeper coming outside his 21 either but what was he doing at the end being on the opposing 40? He had a simple hand passing option to keep possession.

thinkstoomuch1

Outstanding win in vital two points and cork should be safe from relegated now
Just watched it now, I had endure commentary paudie palmer but whiles he's nice fella hugely passionate gaa man, he's commentary very hard to keep up with as one second cork attacking next second there defending and he's imo behind the game flow

Thankfully I'll be up donegal next game

I'd still worry and doubt some tactically selections this set up management wise
A key today was clear proof colm o driscoll while he works hard is limited and when given open goal didn't actually know what do and be taken off in end but o rourke who started by default as gould was injured means cork last two games have started with two stronger teams than originally named both games due to injury

O rourke had a brilliant game always linking and create play and he wouldn't started but gould injury
Haa to start the next day as both days he's been started as a late sub for injured player but been outstanding

Full back line thank fully had cadogan back corner management deserves credit eventually putting him back there but as proved for monaghan goal Clancy was exposed for the goal, loughrey was better today credit due but not corner back

O Neill brilliance won game for cork and he proved give him or hurley ball rolling they will score
Worry is rest forwards didn't score much from play bar o Neill

Kerrigan was very poor and like I said yesterday needs stay away from media interview as he's inconstant one day great next poor

Midfield was better today with Collins than gould but again this was an injury enforced change
Collins won lot breaking ball but maguire was very good but against likes kerry mayo midfield he won't do and when Clerkin who I suprised didn't start came on monaghan started win minified

Cork still have same issues for me, midfield won't do in championship and full back line either bar one
Yes huge win credit to all but cork are winning two games could easily lost so imo one these days could easily loose
Moyne was huge loss to monaghan as I saud there brilliant organised team but limited in forwards and missed pretty score able free in the end

Halloron kick outs were good and he had fine game bar peter schiemel run up field late in the game which was a terrible call by him

Cadogan fine game, scored brilliant point
Clancy made good blocks but imo turned easily and fault for the goal
Loughrey loved physical intensity and like I said before very strong in tackle not exposed today one v one in a tight ptich but imo not an corner back

Dorman very good game helped by the familiar Clancy where play together at ucc beside him who thanks fully swapped with cadogan and imo brilliant game at centre back
O driscoll everything I know this lad has he dies, brilliant defending awesome passing, great score

Maguire great game and physically stood up monaghan and he was everywhere but when faced kerry and Dublin and mayo will need a partner

Collins superb passing, link play, work ethic, better centre forward come defender

Donnacha brilliant game in controlling temp game from half forward aera and held ball up when needed
O rourke was everywhere and involved I'm few scores
O Neill two goals point from play shows talent he has but if he gets more ball is unmarkable

Hurley didn't get enough ball but worked hard and great to win ball

Subs

Sullivan dine well when brought on
O driscoll got stuck in but him or bother are not good enough
Kelly, Brian driscoll o rourke better than them

Good win and it proves the point when cork pick the right players there tough team to beat but worry is selection policy still with two corner backs full back, o rourke despite playing well not picked start where colm is almost likely start ahead him of the next day and I still worry bout midfield

What management do deserve credit for is putting cadogan to full back line and what's very significant cork when down by four unlike last year didn't fade away but came back again

Two vital wins but we were similar scenario last year winning games could easily lost so imo cork must learn from these games

Derry huge relegation worries now, and mayo will struggle also but cork have threw tough sway games in derry at home fight stay up won't loose easily

Donegal next a another step up in class
They bear Dublin in possession stakes imo but couldn't score and they were teak tough in the tackle so at home after loss Dublin with cork next they will test cork again

Overall good days work but Halloran brilliance last week and o Neill this week individual brilliance is getting cork imo through in I have yer see complete team performance

wackokid

That was some defence splitting pass by John Hayes to O Neill for the winning point. Hayes has more football savy in his big toe than Kerrrigan. Also Donnacha the King of Ballydesmond, take a bow young man. His inside pass to Cadogan for a vital point was top drawer. Maguire too deserves credit for taking the hits and setting up the 1st goal. This was a terrific (Tony Davis) win and perhaps we are learning how to play the modern game. Tom Fermoy saved us big time and should have walked but ref, what ref? 'Tis early days though but the signs are good and substitutions were made a bit late.

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

That was some defence splitting pass by John Hayes to O Neill for the winning point. Hayes has more football savy in his big toe than Kerrrigan. Also Donnacha the King of Ballydesmond, take a bow young man. His inside pass to Cadogan for a vital point was top drawer. Maguire too deserves credit for taking the hits and setting up the 1st goal. This was a terrific (Tony Davis) win and perhaps we are learning how to play the modern game. Tom Fermoy saved us big time and should have walked but ref, what ref? 'Tis early days though but the signs are good and substitutions were made a bit late.

Hayes like kerrigan has always had savage skill like I said many times
That was never questioned out both
Question is with both they are not consistent or reliability in big games
He needs to do more than one pass justify selection
I know your a fan fair enough but imo he will unfortunately come up short big games just like he done in past
He's job I'd to score as cork have lot creative players if needed

rebelomar

Ian Maguire really had a fine game...forgot to mention him in my post above.

TTM O Route did well alright in fairness to the lad. Looks worth his place...I'd have him as one of the two half forwards with Donnacha. Donnacha did control the pace of our attacks well and held the ball up superbly but there are times when he needs to release it quicker but it's a difficult balancing act for him in a new role.

The two lads inside look electric and if Hurley or O Neil get anybody 1v1 it's game over.

The two sweepers is what really needs to be ironed out. Collins is tailor made for one of these roles. For me one of the sweepers has to sit..I'd try Clon Tom Clancy in that role..he reads a game well and has good distribution but his main function is to sit and cut out attacks.

Shields and Cadagon with one other in the full back line.

Brian O Driscoll, Fermoy Clancy and Dorman in pole position to be half back line.

Dormans kickpassing was superb today...was obvious even on TV that lads in forwards know to make their run when he has the ball as he picks them out time and time again.

Midfield is a tough one...I honestly don't have a solution for that second spot