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M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

JupiterKid

Following on from the suggestion of a poster, this thread has been set up to discuss the need for widening the M7.

The section of the M7 IMO in immediate need (really a backlog need) for widening is the section from the Maudlins Interchange at Naas to the M9 interchange - basically the original 1983 Naas Bypass and half of the 1993 Newbridge Bypass. Is this likely to proceed in the near future?

Would the central median be wide enough for widening to D3M here? I'm pretty sure it is wide enough on the Newbridge bypass section but I'm not so sure in the case of the Naas Bypass.

Also, what bridges will need to be demolished and rebuilt? Or would it be more practical to drop the hard shoulder through the existing bridges?

What about the proposal a few years back to build a new junction at on the Naas Bypass at Osberstown? Will it still go ahead?

In the longer term, does anyone see a need to widen the M7 to the N7/M8 junction?

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apoeiguq3094y

ardmacha wrote: »

People cutting across lanes do so because they don't give a damn about anyone else and signs, tests etc will not do anything to stop them. Law enforcement will.

True, law enforcement would help. But if tests and driver training were effective it would reduce the number of people developing these bad habits.

Also the same goes for people sitting happily in the middle lane. They aren't confident (or maybe capable) enough to deal with merging traffic and changing lanes themselves when needed.

tonc76

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

True, law enforcement would help. But if tests and driver training were effective it would reduce the number of people developing these bad habits.

Also the same goes for people sitting happily in the middle lane. They aren't confident (or maybe capable) enough to deal with merging traffic and changing lanes themselves when needed.

Where will the people of Donegal, Leitrim, Sligo, Mayo etc etc take these tests as there are no motorways near them or should they be exempt?

L1011

tonc76 wrote: »

Where will the people of Donegal, Leitrim, Sligo, Mayo etc etc take these tests as there are no motorways near them or should they be exempt?

All bar Mayo contain dual carriageways.

tonc76

L1011 wrote: »

All bar Mayo contain dual carriageways.

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

[Deleted User]

It does not matter, stay left

L1011

tonc76 wrote: »

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

The M7/M9 and M4/M6 merge are on 2 lane dual carriageways. A dual carriageway has the same rules as goes lanes as a motorway does, anyway.

MayoSalmon

tonc76 wrote: »

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

None

[Deleted User]

MayoSalmon wrote: »

None

What des that matter? Stay in the left lane unless overtaking (or avoiding a hazard) and all will be well, be it a 2 lane or 10 lane section.

MayoSalmon

Deleted User wrote: »

What des that matter? Stay in the left lane unless overtaking (or avoiding a hazard) and all will be well, be it a 2 lane or 10 lane section.

There is only 1 lane on our roads with some grass in the middle:pac:

[Deleted User]

MayoSalmon wrote: »

There is only 1 lane on our roads with some grass in the middle:pac:

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

MayoSalmon

Deleted User wrote: »

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

I don't own a smart car;)

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

Only when on my bike.

Deedsie

Would an email campaign to TD's along the N7, M7, M8, M9 and city west help at all in relation to getting funding for this badly badly needed upgrade? It's a massive pain in the neck for thousands of people every day.

Lester Freamon

Deedsie wrote: »

Would an email campaign to TD's along the N7, M7, M8, M9 and city west help at all in relation to getting funding for this badly badly needed upgrade? It's a massive pain in the neck for thousands of people every day.

Sounds good to me!

Sheldons Brain

They should just build a toll gate and use that to fund the improvement. People from Kinnegad, Navan or Dundalk have a pay a toll to reach Dublin, let those in Waterford and Portlaoise do likewise. Or maybe just toll the new lane.

pablo128

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

They should just build a toll gate and use that to fund the improvement. People from Kinnegad, Navan or Dundalk have a pay a toll to reach Dublin, let those in Waterford and Portlaoise do likewise. Or maybe just toll the new lane.

Only if they use the motorway.

Sheldons Brain

pablo128 wrote: »

Only if they use the motorway.

The same will apply to people from Waterford in my proposal.

[Deleted User]

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

They should just build a toll gate and use that to fund the improvement. People from Kinnegad, Navan or Dundalk have a pay a toll to reach Dublin, let those in Waterford and Portlaoise do likewise. Or maybe just toll the new lane.

right let's put another toll at Portlaoise. People coming from Cork and parts of Kerry only have three tolls already to reach the Airport.

Also governmemt housing/employment policy has forced a commuter belt that needs access

AugustusMinimus

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

The same will apply to people from Waterford in my proposal.

Another toll for the people of cork I dispose. 4 to get to Dublin airport as the last poster has said. Do you really believe that's reasonable ?

JeffK88

There was a proposal for tolling the M7 before but it was dropped quite quickly. How could you justify adding a toll to a 32 year old motorway. Toll roads are usually in place to pay for the construction of said motorway. Adding a toll to the M7 would drive thousands of cars back into Newbridge/Naas. As it is there is too many tolls in this country considering the road tax we pay already. Why the hell would you suggest a new one.
If you tolled the M9 you would kill it overnight it would end up like the toll roads in Portugal.... empty. The Government should upgrade the damn road and cough up the money. Why it was prioritised over the M11 , M17/M18 , N25 New Ross bypass is beyond me. For those who live at these locations and will moan about everything Dublin focused, Yes it should be considering Dublin is the only urban centre with over 1 million people so road projects should be prioritised around the city especially one as important and necessary as this upgrade.

gilly0512

JeffK88 wrote: »

There was a proposal for tolling the M7 before but it was dropped quite quickly. How could you justify adding a toll to a 32 year old motorway. Toll roads are usually in place to pay for the construction of said motorway. Adding a toll to the M7 would drive thousands of cars back into Newbridge/Naas. As it is there is too many tolls in this country considering the road tax we pay already. Why the hell would you suggest a new one.
If you tolled the M9 you would kill it overnight it would end up like the toll roads in Portugal.... empty. The Government should upgrade the damn road and cough up the money. Why it was prioritised over the M11 , M17/M18 , N25 New Ross bypass is beyond me. For those who live at these locations and will moan about everything Dublin focused, Yes it should be considering Dublin is the only urban centre with over 1 million people so road projects should be prioritised around the city especially one as important and necessary as this upgrade.

I couldn't agree more Jeff, we already pay far more for our cars than our European neighbours, not to mention a much higher road tax, so if you ask me there are more than enough tolls already in this country. You also have well over a third of the country's population living in the Dublin/Kildare area, not to mention Dublin being the centre of the business economy in this country, so whether people like it or not the majority of road funding and public transport funding should go to Dublin and surrounding counties such as Meath, Wicklow and Kildare which are all commuter counties.

gilly0512

road_high wrote: »

See no reason why Kerry Group should not have been made contribute heavily to the planned upgrade being contingent on their planning permission.

Why should they, they are already bringing hundreds of jobs to the Naas and surrounding areas, and no doubt they are paying hundreds of thousands in annual rates. If anything the Kerry Group should have insisted on this work been carried out as a prerequisite to them setting up in Naas, and should sue Kildare County Council for this new junction not been built. I know it's not KCCs fault, but ultimately the government would pay.

BuzzFish

gilly2308 wrote: »

Why should they, they are already bringing hundreds of jobs to the Naas and surrounding areas, and no doubt they are paying hundreds of thousands in annual rates. If anything the Kerry Group should have insisted on this work been carried out as a prerequisite to them setting up in Naas, and should sue Kildare County Council for this new junction not been built. I know it's not KCCs fault, but ultimately the government would pay.

If you read the planning docs (freely available on KCC website) the planning was tied to the upgrade of the sallins road roundabout (not started) and the motorway upgrade (dropped for now). Its a disgrace. In 4 weeks time Kerry will have 800+ people heading to the new site, while also keeping Birch house and having 350 ppl there.

Deedsie

As soon as planning permission was granted for the widening scheme, funding should have been provided for this. It is of vital importance on one of the busiest roads in the country. They seem to be waiting for the giveaway budget to announce any infrastructure investments. Delaying construction by probably two years from planning permission being granted just to give politicians a better chance of being elected. They should be turfed out for dragging their feet.

Idbatterim

If you read the planning docs (freely available on KCC website) the planning was tied to the upgrade of the sallins road roundabout (not started) and the motorway upgrade (dropped for now). Its a disgrace. In 4 weeks time Kerry will have 800+ people heading to the new site, while also keeping Birch house and having 350 ppl there.

This might hurry things up and be for the best, given that they only do stuff here come crisis time on the infrastructure front...

Deedsie

This road would break your heart at times. 70 minutes from the Curragh to Naas junction 9 yesterday. Just make the funding available and get on with it.

[Deleted User]

Funding won't happen without a Toll.

L1011

Deleted User wrote: »

Funding won't happen without a Toll.

Not a chance. This isn't particularly dear, for starterss.

marno21

Deedsie wrote: »

This road would break your heart at times. 70 minutes from the Curragh to Naas junction 9 yesterday. Just make the funding available and get on with it.

There was an incident yesterday at J11 holding up traffic, in addition to all the extra traffic from Waterford & Kilkenny

[Deleted User]

L1011 wrote: »

Not a chance. This isn't particularly dear, for starterss.

How will they raise funding ?