hynesie08 wrote: » Nox, do you still believe that all religions other than Catholicism are "wrong" and that kids should have it forced on them in school?
Donkey Oaty wrote: » In an attempt to move things on here - because everyone has had their say about the existence of God - surely we are approaching it from the wrong way. We should be discussing: what do you mean by "God"?
Dan_Solo wrote: » Every definition you could possibly come up with will be denied by theists, as once you define you can be challenged. "We can't know" is the default for the past few hundred years where theists can't threaten to kill you if you don't agree with them. (well, not here so much anyway)
Shurimgreat wrote: » I think Stephen Fry is missing the point about people being imbued with Free Will. They are free to do as they please but must be accountable for it on judgement day. This is a cornerstore of christianity from my understanding of it. As an intellectual, I really don't find Fry that impressive, especially when he misses some fundamental points about things he's criticising. If he had an inside out knowledge of something and then critiqued it fair enough. He seems to believe a god if there is one should go around intervening here, there and everywhere, like superman or something. That's not the way it works.
Shurimgreat wrote: » As an intellectual, I really don't find Fry that impressive
Shurimgreat wrote: » As an intellectual, I really don't find Fry that impressive, especially when he misses some fundamental points about things he's criticising. If he had an inside out knowledge of something and then critiqued it fair enough.
hynesie08 wrote: » Nox, do you still believe that all religions other than Catholicism are "wrong" and that kids should have it forced on them in school? If so you prove everything Stephen Fry said to be right.
Emersyn Deep Destroyer wrote: » Pretty much yes.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Do you agree then you can't pray to god to make any person do anything?
Donkey Oaty wrote: » Don't know what he thinks, but I'd imagine one answer would be: "You can pray for a person to remove themselves from the blindfold of ignorance after which they can utilise their free will to act according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ". Whether it will work or not, or if it is even an internally coherent argument within the confines of Christian theology is another matter, but it's an answer of sorts.
Donkey Oaty wrote: » Oooh ye cheeky monkey.
Dan_Solo wrote: » No, it isn't internally consistent to say we have free will but god modifies that free will on a whim. Then again logic and reasoning apparently aren't applicable to spiritual debate, so monkey fish percolator jig jig jig.
Eutow wrote: » A religious fundamentalist, just what the world needs. Anyone not Catholic should go to the church of Nox to gain re-neducation.
Donkey Oaty wrote: » Ah yes, but the point is that you can pray for people to have access to further information so they can make a more informed choice.
Maximus Alexander wrote: » What's free will got to do with bone cancer in children, or insects that eat your eyes? I don't think he actually ever mentioned people being mean to each other.
Dan_Solo wrote: » Seems a bit of a cop out that one. Would this include automatically include giving them more information about atheism and humanism, or is all the information coming from one side here?
Donkey Oaty wrote: » Apart from full billing on the credits, references to them on the show (including occasional mentions via an earpiece on what is a recorded programme), books authored by them promoted by the BBC explaining exactly what it is they do, and their own team on a different prime-time BBC2 show, Only Connect? Pish and tosh, good sir, bless, and all that.
Maximo Grumpy Leotard wrote: » Nice attempt at trying to tie Irish Catholics in with the animals in ISIS by using the term "fundamentalist". The word has no place in relation to me. I don't even mention religion except in reply to others on boards.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Bone cancer in children, and other similar illnesses, it presents people a chance to show their charitable side and attempt to cure it or help out. Its about presenting challenges to be solved.
Donkey Oaty wrote: » Yes, it's a wonderful thing. I'm developing new forms of cancer for children in my basement as we speak, to give us all something to do.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Fair enough. But for as long as I remember him appearing on shows like the LLS, he was presented as this guy who was quite eloquent, he even claims it himself, ie people assumed he had authority when he shouted at them, has a mastery of vocabulary and is a bit of a snob intellectually wise. Only a lot of what he comes out with is nonsense, and a lot of the time he doesn't come across as bright. But we mustn't rock the boat.
Shurimgreat wrote: » OK, I can see you need a bit of work. Right here goes. Most people accept bone cancer has got nothing to do with "god". Correct?
Dan_Solo wrote: » Pure rot. I suppose raping children gives priests a chance to repent?
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