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WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTOS (RAW) - ISIS begins killing Christians in Mosul, CHILDREN BEHEADED

While the world focuses on Gaza , ISIS continue their genocide of anyone and everything.

They have now been reported to have captured a group of women and children, and are beheading them.

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Karl Stein

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Another brutal terrorism emerges that shocks the world.

And the weapons manufacturers, armies, navies and 'security' industry (whose security?) continues to syphon off billions from the public coffers because they have to fight the terrorism and instability they've been instrumental in fomenting.

Tugboats

Does anyone know how many hostages are left?

Infini

wprathead wrote: »

And suggesting dropping a nuclear bomb isn't stooping to their level?

Their level involves sadistic torture, dismemberment, rape, sex slavery, ethnic cleansing and violence on a level so depraved to the point that even a demon would be shamed by these animals and all because of a twisted distorted version of what they call a religion. They're more akin to a cult than a religion and they drag normal Muslims into disrepute.

Their is no reasoning or proper negotiating with these psychos they've abandoned all reason for religious fanaticism and they're getting worse.

Like I said the only way these nut jobs are gonna be stopped is either by a large multinational force to go in and pacify and purge these psychotic nut jobs or resorting to the one option that will force them to understand and that's a nuke. As for innocents caught in it regardless of what happens innocents are caught up in this one way or another because they didn't deal with this problem as soon as it began by sending in a UN force to put them down when it all kicked off.

BuilderPlumber

Karl Stein wrote: »

When the Western/Saudi backed Mujahideen caught Soviet Soldiers they often tortured them to death - their reputation for cruelty was such that potential POW's blew themselves up in favour of capture:

When Islamofascist nutters were carrying out these acts backed by the West/Saudis they even had entire blockbuster movies dedicated to them.

This is precisely the problem. Afghanistan was grand when it was a monarchy and it was grand when it was communist. When the fascists took over, it was hell on earth: especially the 1996-2001 regime of fascists styled as Taliban and controlled by al Qaeda.

The West supported these when it suited. From that time to now, fascism in Muslim countries has remained a grave problem.

ISIS are without doubt among the most evil terrorist organisations ever. They even make the original Taliban and al Qaeda look mild by comparison. But, where did this violent organisation start off. In 2004 in Iraq actually lead by a guy called Zarqawi. The 2003 invasion of Iraq started off this awful organisation and the West-encouraged 'Arab Spring' gave it a new lease of life just when it was on the wane (with Zarqawi dead for years). The Syria war and Western meddling again gave this organisation then known as 'Al Qaeda in Iraq' a new cause. Then, they got a new name: ISIS, ISIL or Islamic State.

Since the 1970s, there have been too many Middle East wars all of which featured meddling from the West. First there was Lebanon, then the USSR/Afghan war (with Western provided support to the Mujahedin which included Taliban and Arab al Qaeda), then a brief civil war in Iran (where the West made sure the communists were not going to take control), then the Iran/Iraq (Gulf War 1), then the first Iraq War (Gulf War 2/Desert Storm) and then Afghanistan/US war. After that, we got the Third Gulf War (aka the 2nd Iraq War, Shock and Awe) and then Libya/NATO. Israel obo the West were meanwhile dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah. And finally Syria's civil war.

Worse and worse terrorists have come into being and the same mistakes are made over and over. At present, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, most of North Africa, a lot of Pakistan, Somalia, a lot of Sudan, North Nigeria, the Central African Republic, Yemen, and Palestine are complete messes: failed entities with no future. Other countries like Jordan and Lebanon are 100% surrounded by failed entities. And who knows what will happen next?

The West should think before going to war or helping out rebel groups. Granted, the US alone can defeat any Middle East regime in a matter of 3 weeks to a month. We have seen Saddam, Gadafi, Taliban, etc. driven from power within a month of a campaign to launch a military strike on them.

If the US decided to go into Syria and take out Assad, the same would happen. If the US decided it was time to obliterate the Revolutionary Guards/Ali Khamenei regime in Iran, the same. A month is all any would last. The regime that is. The leaders no doubt would be killed or caught. BUT while the US is great at ending regimes, it is not great at country building afterwards. What would happen if the US decided to get very ambitious and decides to take out Assad and Rev Guards all at once?

Weeks 1-4: Syria: Assad is taken out and the US kills some of Iran's rev guards too thus there is some retaliation from them in the region.
Weeks 5-8: the US takes down the regime in Iran. A puppet is installed in Syria.
Weeks 9-12: A puppet is installed in Iran.
The next 10 years: all types of fighters flock into Iran and Syria. Those 2 countries are rendered unstable and Iraq becomes more unstable too. Insurgencies and civil wars predominate. The world goes into recession again. Another brutal terrorism emerges that shocks the world.

Karl Stein

When the Western/Saudi backed Mujahideen caught Soviet Soldiers they often tortured them to death - their reputation for cruelty was such that potential POW's blew themselves up in favour of capture:

Seven soldiers of the 1st Squadron prefer death over capture and torture which was the normal treatment of Russian POW's during the war by the enemy, also took their own lives with a grenade made from a OZM-72 mine. They were as follows; Gavrash, Kukharchuk, Vakuljuk, Marchenko, Musika, Mustafin, and Boitchuk.

The dead were disemboweled and their eyes were poked out and then burned. Many were wounded and still alive when this was going on a suffered a horrible death at the hands of the enemy.

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When Islamofascist nutters were carrying out these acts backed by the West/Saudis they even had entire blockbuster movies dedicated to them.

Arsemageddon

Manic Moran wrote: »

No, it's not.

The most common use for it today is in smokescreening, but there is nothing in the laws of war which prohibits its use against personnel or equipment. Don't believe me? Try to quote chapter and verse from the appropriate international treaty.

The gailure yo mention its use for smokescreens was an slip of the thumb on my behalf.

Article 1 Protocol III of the Convention of Certain Chemical Weapons bans the use of certain chemical incendiary weapons. White phosphorous is not listed specifically as it has dual use (smoke screen & illimination). however its use against civilian targets (and military personnel is implicit in the treaty. All impartial, independent legal opinions are pretty clear on this.

Similar to all weapon indiscriminate use in areas where civilians are present is clearly illegal under the Geneva convention.

It was also deemed illegal to use it for such in the US army ST100-3 battle book. Pretty sure thay manual is no longer in use.

If the use of WP is all above board and legal then why did the US military feel the need at first to repeatedly deny its use in Fallujah only to admit that it had done so after the Washington Post broke the story? Same question for Israels similar initial demial of its use in Gaza in 2009?

Most cointries consider the use of WP against people illegal. US use of WP for the same purpose is a very, very grey area.

cpg093

Streetwalker wrote: »

So let me get this straight, you want the Jordanians to execute people but yet are appalled when ISIS do so? Two wrongs don't make a right.

the jordanians are not executing "people" they are executing a failed suicide bomber. i think it is vastly different than burning a pilot alive who was fighting these scum

smurgen

horrific,I actually feel sick after reading the report of his death.i'm normally a total pacifist but the idea of these animals inflicting such pain on another makes my blood simmer. I don't believe they're muslims, their more like the actions of total anarchists.

DeJa VooDoo

Streetwalker wrote: »

So let me get this straight, you want the Jordanians to execute people but yet are appalled when ISIS do so? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Pouring petrol on a man trapped in a steel cage and burning him to death isn't the same as executing someone.

Streetwalker

fran oconnor wrote: »

Hopefully.

So let me get this straight, you want the Jordanians to execute people but yet are appalled when ISIS do so? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Karl Stein

The Aussie wrote: »

Boots on the ground with the authorisation of the Iraqi Government

Isn't that exactly what these fuckers want? Wasn't one of Al-Qaeda's goals to draw the US/West into wars in the middle east?

Iraq 2003 is projected to cost the US public $6,000,000,000,000 (six trillion USD). 9/11 is thought to have cost Al-Q half a million dollars.

ireland.man

Boring username wrote: »

I expect Jordan will follow through on their promise to execute all ISIS prisoners if their pilot was not returned alive.

Jordan doesn't have the resources, the national integrity or the appetite for fighting ISIS, sadly. It may execute a handful of ISIS members and do something in the coming week but watch and see the country reduce its involvement in the conflict in the coming months.

The only hope I have is for ISIS to disintegrate by itself. It'll run out of steam and it won't have enough money to run the territory it has conquered and defend its borders against the Kurds, Hezbollah and the Iraqi army.

fran oconnor

Boring username wrote: »

I expect Jordan will follow through on their promise to execute all ISIS prisoners if their pilot was not returned alive.

Hopefully.

Zebra3

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I don't see anyone cheerleading anything, only someone trying to drag their usual hobby horse in to the discussion.

You should actually read the thread then.

My hobby horse? Highlighting the crimes of the West that so many are happy to ignore/praise?

opinionated3

So what's your solution. ..

ireland.man

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I don't see anyone cheerleading anything, only someone trying to drag their usual hobby horse in to the discussion.

Freedom fighters? Who called them freedom fighters?

Do you equally condemn the burning to death of ambulance men in Afghanistan and Iraq by Nato and America? Or the burning to death of school children by Israel? Or do you only cry for those murdered by ISIS?

Fratton Fred

Zebra3 wrote: »

The point is that people are condemning the crimes of ISIS while being cheerleaders for far worse crimes. (It's called hypocrisy).

But you already knew that.

I don't see anyone cheerleading anything, only someone trying to drag their usual hobby horse in to the discussion.

Zebra3

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'll ask again, what is your point?

This was a Jordanian pilot burnt alive by ISIS.

The point is that people are condemning the crimes of ISIS while being cheerleaders for far worse crimes. (It's called hypocrisy).

But you already knew that.

realdanbreen

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the west can win but the liberal gloves will have to come off

i despise these ba$tards and everthing they stand for but I remeber when the West stated bombing Iraq. It was like watching a movie,FFS they even gave it a working title'Sock & Awe' they called it.thousands of innocents were blown to smithereens (of course we saw no dead Iraqis on TV)and I well recall thinking the west will live to regret what they are reaping here.As for a solution,I don"t know,but more bombing and killing aint much of a plan IMO.

Fratton Fred

ireland.man wrote: »

Because he didn't try to pin disgusting claims on anyone on this thread like you did. 'Freedom fighters'.........

No-one here thinks ISIS is anything but scum. But some of us think the act of burning someone to death is innately horrible and not because of who's doing it. We condemn America, Israel, Britain, the LRA, ISIS and the IRA for their crimes against civilians but some posters here only get upset when certain groups commit heinous acts.

Fcuking crocodile tears from hypocrites.

Then go start a thread on it.

Manic Moran

It is illegal under the laws of war to use WP for any purpose other than illumination.

No, it's not.

The most common use for it today is in smokescreening, but there is nothing in the laws of war which prohibits its use against personnel or equipment. Don't believe me? Try to quote chapter and verse from the appropriate international treaty.

ireland.man

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So you're having a go at me, but not Zebra 3's irrelevant posts about the US, Britain and Israel.

Why is that?

Because he didn't try to pin disgusting claims on anyone on this thread like you did. 'Freedom fighters'.........

No-one here thinks ISIS is anything but scum. But some of us think the act of burning someone to death is innately horrible and not because of who's doing it. We condemn America, Israel, Britain, the LRA, ISIS and the IRA for their crimes against civilians but some posters here only get upset when certain groups commit heinous acts.

Fcuking crocodile tears from hypocrites.

Fratton Fred

Zebra3 wrote: »

Your post implied that Britain/Israel/US had valid reasons for committing their war crimes.

The same nonsense again.

Yeah, because Britain and the US only get involved in the Middle East out of humanitarian concerns. :rolleyes:

Let's condemn ISIS because they behead people but hey there's money to be made from arms sales to Saudi Arabia!!!

ISIS are scum all right, but nowhere near this level of evil.]

I'll ask again, what is your point?

This was a Jordanian pilot burnt alive by ISIS.

The Aussie

'Jordan's response will be earth-shattering'

Pulls up Chair...

Jordan will execute an Iraqi woman on death row over a failed bombing after having vowed to avenge the murder of a Jordanian pilot by Islamic State jihadists, an official said.

"The sentence of death pending on... Iraqi Sajida al-Rishawi will be carried out at dawn," the security official said on Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Jordanian authorities are reportedly planning to execute five other al-Qaeda operatives being held along with al-Rishawi.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/02/04/06/33/jordan-to-execute-female-would-be-bomber-at-dawn-security#XLesDHpMl7rExB6m.99

I have a feeling it won't just stop at 6 executions, Boots on the ground with the authorisation of the Iraqi Government will be my guess

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/02/04/06/33/jordan-to-execute-female-would-be-bomber-at-dawn-security#XLesDHpMl7rExB6m.99

Fratton Fred

ireland.man wrote: »

"They are, after all, just mis understood freedom fighters I guess."

You said this. Why would you imagine this idiotic drivel would constitute a reasoned reply to anything on this thread? Has anyone used the term 'freedom fighters' in reference to ISIS? Has anyone praised, complimented or excused the crimes of ISIS?

So you're having a go at me, but not Zebra 3's irrelevant posts about the US, Britain and Israel.

Why is that?

Zebra3

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Did I excuse them? I fail to see how your criticism of British, American or Israeli war crimes excuses ISIS of theirs? You know, the subject of the thread?

Your post implied that Britain/Israel/US had valid reasons for committing their war crimes.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

yes, you're dead right. the coalition should instantly stop all attempts to help stop ISIS and let them continue their genocidal war forthwith.

They are, after all, just mis understood freedom fighters I guess.

The same nonsense again.

Yeah, because Britain and the US only get involved in the Middle East out of humanitarian concerns. :rolleyes:

Let's condemn ISIS because they behead people but hey there's money to be made from arms sales to Saudi Arabia!!!

ISIS are scum all right, but nowhere near this level of evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

ireland.man

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm perfectly capable of debating relevant points. Can you point me in the direction of any, presuming you aren't too dim.

"They are, after all, just mis understood freedom fighters I guess."

You said this. Why would you imagine this idiotic drivel would constitute a reasoned reply to anything on this thread? Has anyone used the term 'freedom fighters' in reference to ISIS? Has anyone praised, complimented or excused the crimes of ISIS?

Fratton Fred

ireland.man wrote: »

Are you not capable of a real debate? Or you a bit dim? Why put words in the mouths of other posters instead of debating what they actually say?

I'm perfectly capable of debating relevant points. Can you point me in the direction of any?

presuming you aren't too dim.

ireland.man

Fratton Fred wrote: »

yes, you're dead right. the coalition should instantly stop all attempts to help stop ISIS and let them continue their genocidal war forthwith.

They are, after all, just mis understood freedom fighters I guess.

Are you not capable of a real debate? Or you a bit dim? Why put words in the mouths of other posters instead of debating what they actually say?

Fratton Fred

Zebra3 wrote: »

ISIS, Britain, US and Israel all burn people to death.

I would have thought it was obvious, but then again some prefer to have their heads in the sand depending on who is committing the crime. :rolleyes:

yes, you're dead right. the coalition should instantly stop all attempts to help stop ISIS and let them continue their genocidal war forthwith.

They are, after all, just mis understood freedom fighters I guess.