Cu Baire wrote: » A Hamilton High School Bandon V Ardscoil Rís B Rochestown College V Nenagh CBS C Castletroy CC V Pobalscoil na Tríonóide Youghal D Thurles CBS V Gaelcolaiste Mhuire AG Predictions: A ASR B RoCo C Castletroy D Thurles A v B ASR C v D Thurles Final
commonsense. wrote: » Lads can anyone explain Corks performance yesterday in light of everything that was said on this forum about cutbert. Cards on the table here, i'm a hurling man but i had to wade through mounds of what now appears to have been serious ****e in light of y'days performance in an attempt to find the hurling commentary. If a complete newcomer to football was reading this thread he would think that ccb had appointed an alien to run the team. It's a good job nobody of note takes these forums seriously and pays any attention to whats being said. Suggestion: if the standard of football analysis dosen't seriously improve we will have to have separate threads for football and hurling.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » You edited what you wanted you said ard scoil to win sorry now
HighKing33 wrote: » Common sense indeed.
Cu Baire wrote: » Actually I edited nothing. I quoted a post that I put up on 21st January and said Rochestown could win. This opinion was based on the form and circumstances of the 2 teams since the original post on 18th of December. Also as you are very good at tracking other peoples posts please put up one where I claimed to be always right in predictions or even where I proclaimed my right always predictions as you put it.
Orizio wrote: » There is nothing surprising, we had a much stronger team out than Dublin, and it was very much a most win game. We still have the talent of a top three team imo, beating a weak Dublin side at home isn't some kind of miracle. Remember we had a great league last year.
Gary Neville wrote: » Whilst your criticism of the football analysis on here is unfair, IMO - your point suggesting that in light of this good performance, the criticism of Cuthbert may have been OTT, deserves consideration. Cuthbert presented himself (via a slick power point show) as having the nous to manage Cork and persuaded a selection committee to appoint him in preference to John Cleary (a man with a far more impressive CV) He failed to implement effective tactics and the players were deeply unhappy with many aspects of his management. Many feared that morale in the camp was still very low but hoped that the fact that all of last year's panel (bar Walsh, Cahalane, Butcher and Dineen) returned, was evidence that the players were determined to get on with things and hope that Cuthbert would learn. He has brought in an excellent S & C man and a very highly rated sports psychologist so there are some positive signs. This was a must win game but Dublin had 1/3 of their c/ship side and we had 2/3 of ours so a 1 pt win was the minimum required. Cork were very open in the 1st half and wasted a lot of scoring opportunities so there is still cause for concern over the coaching but the 2nd half was much better and the team will travel to Monaghan in a good frame of mind. It's also to put this win into context - Dublin came to Cork with a reserve team and were pushing hard for a win late on having missed a number of reasonable goal chances - when Cork put out a reserve side against a Div 4 side -Waterford - we lost by a point.
commonsense. wrote: » Valid points lads and well made. My comments were a little tongue in cheek, but it's just cuthbert was practically being vilified here in the last few weeks. As i said above hurling is my game (played both but gravitated towards the small ball over the years) and I will bow to yer superior knowledge as I don't claim any great knowledge on football nowadays. But He can't be that bad can he. He made his pitch for the job and rightly or wrongly the ccb picked him. Any man doing his best thereafter dosen't deserve to be crucified in my view.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » My point was twice you posted threads where your predictions were right You reqoutes yourself My point I saud clearly I'm not saying everyone is right with predictions but you seem to show when you are and jusr be fair and equal I pointed it out you are wrong also You saud ard scoil win they didn't No big deal I got many game wrong myself Accept it and move on I don't track posts but as any neutral poster will see you have particularly be fair devalues my posting on not this thread alone but numerous threads in the past with short sniping statement's you accused me trolling on limerick thread, you called me biased before yet you don't like it when your just questioned on valid point I ignored those posts as you clearly wanted a reaction You have be fair now follows most my posts with huge attention at times Just look at them be fair now please I have no interest as you will know I ignored you last while going tit tat as I'm here talk gaa you are you look at majority your posts alway reply to mine with snipes trying devalue them and seem particular interest my posts than topics on hand I just saw post and said provide clarity on it seen as you were and I'm sure in future be fast enough to question me but I'm well used to you at this stage Back to gaa talk
Hurleratheart wrote: » in fariness, i think your being petty here TTM Youself couldn't see midleton being beaten by Nenagh, no excuses you said - Midleton players were goingto light up Harty, you talked up AG management in one post and then blamed them in next ones , its hard to miss your posts there so many of them, thats why you get so much response pot callin kettle black i think and of course things can change and posters change there minds about things I think Denis Hurley in the Examiner said today anyone who follows underage hurling wouldn't be surprised by Rochestonw win and how well there doing Myself Im expecting another big performance in final and if there right with no injuries they will win
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Hurling heart I'm not be fair but there's clear agenda against some my posts be fair by some I hope and do think your not one those as your hurling fan grassroots up real type bread butter fan that I am myself and we belive I think hurling needs start at bottom down and have work done I think you will find being bread and butter type fan like myself you know I have huge interested all schools and be fair I mentioned mtichewltown here last week and other schools and don't see many otherness posting teams be fair I said management lordan was good at start year what achieves brings them together but as seventh I'm sure will agree I mentioned in most games tactically naivety some calls I did expect mideton do well and in regards lighting up Harty o mentioned john looney and he did indeed light it up Problem was as many fans know maybe you don't be affiliate to rivhestowm fair point but are actually mibdellton poorly managed as acknowledged by least five different posters here as dayne record is poor I shouldn't be alienated for so many posts be fair but as poster other thread said I get unfair criticism here for my views more anyone else I think at times my length post and strong opinions go against me but magior cork posters want me post If that ever changes I would have no problem retirement my posts as done before as cork gaa thread not about one poster Some imo make out be jusr cause I post a lot But look I'm well used it at this stage it always comes every few weeks one poster critics me other wade in as they have support Be fair everything I said regards ag mideton management was said by many others I wasn't the only one now was I You are flowing glow I'm geuinely happy after rochestown win but I think be fair making remark I just joined the support recently is wrong and I been through this argument before I though we moved on be honest, but I being bread butter fan before you surely appreciate I always support them No point but could easily post old post me support the school last year I'm critises unfairly as seen be one school over another nut geuine fans know I post all schools Who else posted mtichewltown, charville winning limerick vocational ist year title christ ri etc mot many be fair I said before others can do it fair point I post school women game try give everyone attention Did anyone even mention ladies milford here bar myself be fair I mentioned this to show I try cover everyone as cork is cork to be me I do agree regards richestown no surprise doing well Hurley piece as alway was excellent and he knows school hurling inside out and does what I call real reporting games often away from limelight in most awful weather he deserves huge credit like paddy Ryan thwresw csllaghan for their coverage I think myself and your self are on same side with lot views I think you will be confident cork minor hurling team this year and your a big Denis ring fan like myself and we both agree cork should be munster final
Mehapoy wrote: » As an outsider looking in and in the limerick thread, I think certain posters should be aware that players, managers etc. and their families may be reading these forums...we all have the advantage of anonymity so if it's not something you'd say to their face then I think you should tone down your comments, some of the comments against the football manager, players and coaches is beyond the pale, they are all volunteers...
Hurleratheart wrote: » as long as cork hurling(schools minor senior intermediate club )on the up were def on same page Im a big Rochestonw fan, but happy to support whoever comes to top from Cork all i know is Im 100% right so far backing Rochestown from start, and I'm hoping to keep it that way Don't know to much about Denis Ring myself but anything I heard is excellent.
case885 wrote: » TTM you really need to slow down when your typing, PROOF READ!
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Thanks,I see usual trend here one criticism me, they all join in Nothing changes Others dont seem to have a problem with it
case885 wrote: » Ah i didnt mean it that way, i was only joking. Your a valuable poster to the thread and have a great knowledge of Cork GAA.
case885 wrote: » No worries. What have you made of Darren Mc Carthy's performances outfield so far TTM? Do you think JBM will start him in the league?
Figsy32 wrote: » To be fair I'm much more hurling too and I wouldn't know the ins and outs of the football set up and Cuthbert's quality or lack there of, but to suggest that beating what was in essence Dublin's second team is enough to say he's good enough for the job is extremely premature. The concerns over tactical awareness, player positioning and player treatment all seem pretty fair from what I've seen in the last 18 months.
It makes sense wrote: » I would agree I appreciate the art of hurling more than football and only pass a small eye on the bigger ball. Although it was great to see cork beat Dublin I thought Dublin would win, I still think the jury is out until we have played 4/5 games let's see then how things pan out. From speaking to a few Lads at the game what was most impressive was the work rate and whole hearty approach which was good to see. Again I hope Cuthbert proves me wrong.
commonsense. wrote: » Harty final confirmed for Mallow. Can't see Thurles being happy. Fermoy wanted to host I hear. Thought it would have been the obvious choice.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » We have seen the harty cup reach the final stage now like most competition, so who would people go for in the minors as of now for limerick game?? I'd go for Dalton Smith Griffin Hennessy Cashman O leary Darragh o brien Donal English but john Sullivan has really put himself imo contention for this Shane Kingston could play midfield no problem at all Cormack O mahony Flynn Looney Halloron Gunning Very hard team to pick but it has hurling, pace, dogmatic warrior and leaders and winners in that team and imo would beat limerick Obviously form could change it again That team I hope for a dry day as limerick won't be able for them but a wet day they would win also The key yesterday was likes mackey, grimes, houinhsn, Casey were all well contained yesterday so as good as they are cork have the players to contain them It be tough game yes but cork imo are in the perfect place now Winning against thurles is key in gives them great chance easier route to all Ireland final however loosing still won't affect too much cork set up in beat limerick which was key and in harty this year cork schools won two duels with limerick schools with ag beating doon and yesterday win Lost four but those three Youghal should beaten Castletroy but for the late smash and grab, better coaching would got ag win over Castletroy both lost by a point Colman young team with no cork minor came within crossbar drawing their game making the quatre finals Ard scoil were the only game imo that they beat hammies that a limerick team were the better team against a cork team and a higher standard and deserved the win imo You could not fault Hammies as they had a superb tournament and gave it everything The key is imo the gap has closed though considerably and yesterday richestown beat limerick best and elite team and it was only cork school bar ag and mideton where you had a lot of cork present and past minors that could face limerick team with lot of Intercounty players Mideton and ag never had chance to play them this year to see what cork best Intercounty wise would do against them Richestown with likes griffin, cashman, Kingston, cormack ans last year minor course Daniel meaney they had Intercounty experience or soon to become that plus likes power with the cork minor football so they had big big game changers you need at this level. Rochestown have great chance of the harty cup and geuine realistic chance of an all ireland imo looking at the possible teams left as they tick all four boxes required, good coaching, talented players, but have big name game changer in that set up, and between football and hurling down the years have beaten big names so they have confidence in their own ability Kieran naturally are the teams to beat as they on last year have few available and there strong physical team with as any kilkenny team has and abundance of hurling I'd presume ger flood still up there and involved team he's a strength conditions coach and tio quality so kilkenny boys upper body strength be ideal test for rochestown I'm not too sure regards Galway schools but imo good counsel or Kieran meet next week in the semi would be biggest dangers for two munster teams left One thing is Kieran have a traditional and good counsel too in winning success and good counsel won all Ireland under sixteen football beating richestown last year and hurling beating mideton would I think have few likes sinnot, tomas o Connor, Richard hennessy so they will be strong Next year is probably the year though thar good counsel be better chance winning leinster I'd be hoping from cork view point good counsel win Saturday bear Kieran but at the same time as it's been so long since cork school bar last year under sixteen all Ireland final met kilkenny senior school in hurling or minor I'd one way like Kieran meet them see how cork school done and is there any difference between there best and our best as it is only by playing the best do you know if you can become the best The rock two years ago said that in he's day the harty cup where he played as a half forward for mideton cbs it was a tougher standard than minor The level preparation now days and the pace I'd say harty cup is at least level in most games yes not all with minor inter county This is great sign for cork minor hurling this year I always said it even last year in the dark days and year before regards under age, the talent is and always will be in cork football and hurling that won't change Cork have the sports people in any sport to compete with the best All it needs is good coaching and to be developed and for that you need resources as will has always been there with volunteers but you support that with money, and if you do it now it won't actually cost thar much cork will thrive at both codes as there's enough talent to satisfy both imo that one is not seen as superior to the next I'm against view cork should be seen as hurling county Course hurling is king with all Ireland but football haa actually held its own or topped roll honour in all other three county grades bar senior with just seven all Ireland Cork should be seen not as a hurling county but the best gaa county around and imo must thrive for thar perfection Of course thar will take a change of attuide and also will course take a lot of time but if it happened it would truly be worth the wait Once that's done there is no limit to what success in hurling and football can be achieved imo Yesterday victory is still just unbelievable absolutely unbelievable in context of cork hurling as this is one step in solving problems from bottom up rather than relying on we are cork mushrooms theory This win didn't just happen as a one off it happened for a reason though hard hard work and progression Rochestown last year beaten doon in close game with lot injuries bur they learned so much in that defeat and just second year truly amazing outstanding there in a harty cup final Good coaching proves king again and it's good for the likes of Douglas ans Blackrock and Carrigaline also Young talent that the rookies have is unbelievable and not case imo if they win senior county with Eddie Murphy the only question like mideton with Wallis is when,??? Good news cork hurling from grass roots up so far this year, rookies and mideton appointment good coached so sarsfields won't be winning senior next year thankfully The appointment of hartnett as minor selector The outstanding under sixteen mubstee success of Midleton, rochestown, again, mtichewltown who went close mubstee c senior quatre final, the reaching of the d final and so far at least likely too senior cork school in a and b final munster The leaving Wallis from limerick that will weaken limerick and strengthen cork ans likely he'll be involved in cork under age pretty soon in the future I would guess Cork senior hurling panel seems be strong this year with more competition but when league panel is announced tomorrow or Tuesday we will know more The intermediate all Ireland last year winning team and Dean Ryan and all Ireland final from mideton After five long painful years finally a competent under twenty management team for cork hurling Landers so far seem good choice in the senior There lot work to do but at least progress is been made The investment must continue and referring in cork has to be sorted out with the dismal club standards and when cork coaching jobs come up they must be appointed in proven success The under twenty one credit due was good choice but the intermediate manager again showed how ccb make poor choices also Again win yesterday was greater significant to cork hurling than waterford crystal as this was vital to cork hurling absolutely vital and cannot be underestimated and I hope cork as a county, North south east and west pull and join unites together and support rochestown in Feb twenty ist in harty cup final and I'm hoping few ex cork greats support them from all over Likes Jim cashman will be there with John playing The hype will obviously be a factor but richestown having been under sixteen all Ireland football few these lads will be used to it I think after yesterday win only right absolutely media give these lads huge glowing tribute and as they didn't beat any old school they beat the powerhouse the kings ard scoil and they actually blew them away in truth The key will be a balanced approach though and don't do limerick leader last year I'm build up minors with like a twenty eight page supplements out the Friday before the all Ireland final YES TWENTY EIGHT PAGE SUPPLEMENT Twas unbelievable but only for it being limerick as you expect that with them, comes with the territory The senior all Ireland preview for kilkenny they had a twenty page supplements For a semi final only kilkenny must have been laughing at it They never learn though Twenty page pull out for a senior game yet weeks later they go eight pages more for a minor final It was imo a bit much Ten pages would have done ot a bit more They never learn imo This victory and harty final appearance has ti be recognised simply has to,over the famine we had but once kept in perspective it's fine It's fine to raise any expectation of a team after a win and yesterday justify that I think they should beat thurles as on paper stronger team and results show they have been the most consistent team in the harty cup They of course have ti turn up on the day Like limerick last year I expected them beat cork as they were just better team That's not over hyping then nut realistic assement imo Overhyped is twenty eight page pull out Cork should be sensible and let's not become the Limerick equivalent when it comes to hype and learn from their mistake It's natural yesterday win is going release lot joy and emotions, I feel it myself but last thing they need is be In media too much Again well done to all and a thank you to everyone of them involved on field play and behind the scenes Whatever happens here on they have done cork hurling proud
Froggyno11 wrote: » 1. Dalton (FON) 2. Murphy (Sars)/ Cahalane (Bars) 3. Cahill (Cloyne)/Griffin (Carrigaline) 4. Smyth (Midleton) 5. Hennessey ( Bars)/O’Keeffe (Nap) 6. O’Leary (Valley Rvs) 7. D O’Brien (Killeagh/Its’a)/Walsh (Bride Rvs) 8. Kingston ( Douglas) 9. Lowney (Clon) 10. M Coleman (Blarney) 11. O’Mahony (Newtown) 12. Flynn (Erins Own)/Cormack (Rockies) 13. Gunning (Nap)/ Fitzgibbon (Charleville) 14. O’Halloran (Rockies) 15. Looney (Aghada) 1. Kenneally could yet play in goals with Dalton a serious option in the forward line. This was done at the U15 tournament a few years ago and worked well but Dalton is twice as good outfield now as he was back then. 2. Murphy played well last year at the edge of the square for Sars in minor championship, Cahalane, strong and fast like his brother lack of hurling all year around at a high level and football may be a problem. 3. If Cahill is gone Griffin will probably play full back, might be tempted to play Cashman there but imo when the ground is hard he will be caught for a turn of pace at this level. 4. Smyth steady, strong can be used as a man marker on Hennessey/Nolan Tipp if we get to play them. 5. Hennessey does all the simple things right. Walsh played senior with his club last year was not involved not sure if he is back in the running. 6. O’Leary rock solid centre back, commands the centre, if in trouble with a very fast cf could be switched with Lowney. 7. O’Brien has improved in the last six months Harty run has stood to him should nail down a wing back spot. O’Keeffe has gone back a bit not very dominating for AG but still worth a shout. 8. Kingston could play anywhere from 5 to 15, Midfield has been a slight problem with this age group should do a good job allowing to ghost forward when in attack. 9. Lowney only problem is he will be a dual and coming from Clon football will take priority but as good a hurler at this age as you will see. 10. Coleman lighting fast with plenty of skill, may be unheard of but should be in contention, can also play midfield with a swap with Kingston. 11. O’Mahony seems to be playing well, always scores and has a good hand. 12. Flynn going well in training I hear, plenty of pace and can take a score from anywhere inside 60 yards. Cormack opted out of development squads the last few years I think, big strong ball winner, well capable of taking a score, pace may be a problem when the ground drys up will be interesting to see his displays with Roco in the coming weeks. 13. Gunning pick of the 17s, has the potential to be a super corner forward, should make the step up. Fitzgibbon similar player to Gunning could very well be a toss-up between them, made a difference when introduced in county final last year, very accurate free taker within 60 yards. 14. Halloran could be played at 10, with Cormack at 11 and Mahony at his best position at 14, very good player will be to the fore with Christians in there bit for glory , also a talented out half could lose him to rugby in the long run. 15. Looney a surprise selection for some with last year’s minor panel but this lad has every skill in the book, plenty of pace if he becomes more direct when advancing on goal can be a serious threat. Cashman could be used to upset a forward, with O’Leary from Castlelyons and Harrington who played all championship games for O’Neill last year also an option. English good player will be there abouts but needs to insert more intensity into performances, watched O’Sullivan on Saturday for the second time was excellent will be in with a shout. Don’t count out Billy Dunne has super potential seems to be hard to get it out but don’t be surprised if he wears no 14 in the first game. Also Beasung 17 (Russell Rvs) and Howard (Dromtarriff) could feature. Don’t think I have left anyone out maybe one or two 17s if Manley and McCarthy were to return from the round ball they would be there also. One of the strongest panels of minors in years should make Croker. Limerick have never beaten Cork at this age as far as I know, Tipp beat them in Forristal, 15 final and 16 semi-final with only a puck of a ball in all games, Kilkenny also strong at this age, What do you think TTM??
