eviltwin wrote: » I've been listening to stories of the holocaust this week, the things that happened to those people....how could a loving God stand by and allow that to happen. Everyday terrible things happen, crime, war, natural disasters. Some God. I want no part of it. I'm reminded of a quote that was found on a wall in the dorm of an Austrian concentration camp "if there is a god he will have to beg for my forgiveness". That about sums it up for me.
padd b1975 wrote: » That's a pretty good argument for marriage being about children you've just made right there!
BenEadir wrote: » ^^^ What a complete load of nonsense. What could a baby born with serious physical and mental deformities or one born into an African famine have done to "reject God" and deserve to endure nothing but pain and suffering for what will probably be a short existence?
threeball wrote: » Why would they have had to be married. Surely the mechanics work the same without a ring
UCDVet wrote: » I'm not religious, but generally I think the answer is 'freewill'. But you also have to remember, to a religious person, their time on Earth is infinitely small compared to an infinitely long eternity in heaven. Presumably, Satan has no impact on the eternal bliss we'd find in heaven. Or maybe the answer is simply beyond us. There are chimps who can communicate with sign language. They even teach their offspring sign language. They can use tools too. Really impressive stuff. But try to explain to a chimp, using it's 500 word vocab. how to calculate something as simple as Pi. The chimp can't understand. We know there are things much less intelligent than us. If someone is willing to believe in a God that can create the Universe, it doesn't seem so hard to imagine God being more intelligent than us - to a degree that even the smartest human is only the equivalent of a tiny squirrel brain to it. How would you explain why you need to do your taxes to a squirrel?
padd b1975 wrote: » Ask Buona Fortuna, he made the original point.
Buona Fortuna wrote: » Yeah and the 55 y/o man with his 25 y/o wife nobody says squat. Post famine that was pretty much the norm, where the eldest son had to wait for mum and dad to die before taking a wife. If he hadn't taken a woman of child bearing age, there wouldn't have been as many of us around to argue the toss over it now
threeball wrote: » No he didn't, he said a 55yr old could hook up with a twenty year old. You brought the issue of it being a good argument for marriage being about children into it.
Rezident wrote: » I'm a big fan of Stephen Fry and the guy is clearly a genius but it is not a good answer. It is certainly passionate, but it is just 'why do bad things happen to good people?' This is like saying why is earth not like heaven? Whether you believe in it or not, heaven is obviously eternal paradise, earth is obviously not. Why on earth would you expect earth to be like heaven? He has missed the whole point.
RobertKK wrote: » If you read the passage from Jeremiah that I posted where he gave the prophecy of where the Jews would be in foreign lands , would be hated and hunted down before Israel was restored, you would see there that people will pay for the sins of their ancestors. Sure we see it with baptism where one gets baptised due to the sin of Adam and Eve and their original sin.
padd b1975 wrote: » Ahem.;)
RobertKK wrote: » people will pay for the sins of their ancestors.
shruikan2553 wrote: » In those days people got married before having children. To have children outside of marriage was frowned upon to put it nicely.
Buona Fortuna wrote: » So a 30 year age gap is fine in that instance then?
Hercule Poirot wrote: » Are you Glenn Hoddle by any chnace? So if I beat up some guy because his father stole money from me it's not acceptable - but if God does it it's totally OK and we should worship him regardless? Fry makes a very valid point, no amount of scripture can hide what is a very basic truth - throughout history millions (probably billions) of innocent people have suffered terribly through no fault of their own (the example Fry gave of bone cancer in children being an excellent example) and yet this is acceptable to you?
Skylinehead wrote: » Oh, and that's ok is it? So if one of my ancestors (there's a few United Irishmen there) did something bad 300 years ago like murder, it's perfectly ok for me to suffer as a result. Your god seems to be a bit of a prick.
RobertKK wrote: » Did I say it was ok? According to the bible that is the way it is. One can take or leave it, no one is being forced to accept or believe that.
Skylinehead wrote: » No, you didn't. I'm just pointing out that your god is a prick.
chakademus wrote: » There's something so insufferable about Stephen Fry.
relax carry on wrote: » I will never understand those people who feel the need to troll. I mean what's wrong in your life that you need to do things like this?
padd b1975 wrote: » I don't doubt that for a second. It's the love sick old guy with the history of mental illness I would worry about most.
RobertKK wrote: » If God exists, he would be your God too since he would have being behind the creation, and it would be a case of you having rejected your God whom you see as a prick...
Venus In Furs wrote: » Padd, why don't you just say you don't like gay people? All this skirting around, the age gap, the guy's history of mental illness (noice - how christian of you), people can see right through it, so you may as well just spit it out. At least that would be honesty.
padd b1975 wrote: » Fry is nothing more than a pompous, narcissistic oaf
RobYourBuilder wrote: » Gaybo is some man for one man. He knew exactly what he was doing when he pulled the face. An old pro.
chrysagon wrote: » Fry has had a few digs at Christians, irionic that hes a jew. And anyway, he has a point,Why would god if he /she existed create a world with such misery.
hardCopy wrote: » Christianity is a spin-off and Islam is more a of a reboot
