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Papa Francis - Same Sex Marriage

K4t

Speaking in the Philippines yesterday:

Francis went into attack mode. "The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage," Francis told the crowd. "These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces, which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-gay-marriage-will-destroy-the-family-disfigure-god-s-plan

I see your true colours, And that's why I love you, So don't be afraid to let them show, Your true colours...

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Timberrrrrrrr

indy_man wrote: »

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/obama-state-union-same-sex-marriage-america-its-best

He doesn't actually state he doesn't believe in SSM.

Annasopra

indy_man wrote: »

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/obama-state-union-same-sex-marriage-america-its-best

Hes changed his nind.

Anesthetize

Eramen wrote: »

Both the masculine and feminine forces of the two sexes are needed to bring out the best latent attributes, personality and talents in the child. This is the most crucial criterion of family life (as is marriage). We have a world-majority that agree with this reality.

Can you link us to a credible study which proves this?

El_Duderino 09

indy_man wrote: »

Here is the other side of the argument.

http://www.catholicbishops.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Meaning-of-Marriage-Web-English.pdf

That's only religious marriage being discussed in the link you provided. The referendum won't effect religious marriage. Catholics will have be free to celebrate heterosexual marriage all they want.

The referendum will allow the state to recognise SSM. It won't oblige the catholics to recognise them.

RobertKK

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Hes changed his nind.

That is what a lot of politicians have done for political reasons.

Follow what they believe the people want, it causes less hassle and makes re-election easier. There is a lot if that going on. Enda was against SSM but changed his minds, the polls probably helped as he is not a man of conviction.

Enda came up with get rid of the seanad, as he thought it would be popular to have less politicans.
He was not into reform, but what he believes is popular.

Same with Obama, and his switch around to supporting SSM, it helps with fundraising and personal ambitions...

eviltwin

Anesthetize wrote: »

Can you link us to a credible study which proves this?

It only exists in his head

floggg

RobertKK wrote: »

That is what a lot of politicians have done for political reasons.

Follow what they believe the people want, it causes less hassle and makes re-election easier. There is a lot if that going on. Enda was against SSM but changed his minds, the polls probably helped as he is not a man of conviction.

Enda came up with get rid of the seanad, as he thought it would be popular to have less politicans.
He was not into reform, but what he believes is popular.

Same with Obama, and his switch around to supporting SSM, it helps with fundraising and personal ambitions...

It's funny, over the past few years, a majority of the the electorate in both Ireland and the U.S. have changed their minds on issues like same sex marriage and moved from majority opposition to majority support.

For some reason however, the opinion of politicans is expected to remain frozen and static on these issues, and if their opinion does change then political expediency is considered the only reasonable or rational explanation.

I think it's also funny that politicians would be criticised for trying to introduce something that a majority of the country want. Imagine, elected representatives making their decision in accordance with the understand to be the will of the people!

farmer john8

i used to be very opposed to the liberal agenda but over the years i have mellowed quiet a bit .
1 abortion if people want to kill their unborn children let them the kids would only turn out like their parents anyway
2 gay if they wish hence no procreation
3 Euthanasia then they can go and kill themselves
all this will only insure that there are less lefty atheists around in the future

shruikan2553

farmer john8 wrote: »

i used to be very opposed to the liberal agenda but over the years i have mellowed quiet a bit .
1 abortion if people want to kill their unborn children let them the kids would only turn out like their parents anyway
2 gay if they wish hence no procreation
3 Euthanasia then they can go and kill themselves
all this will only insure that there are less lefty atheists around in the future

Yeah, its the liberal agenda that's a problem. Wanting people to kill themselves is perfectly normal.

Not really sure what atheists have to do with it but this is AH do giving out about them is normal enough, have you ever read mein kampf? You would enjoy it.

lazygal

farmer john8 wrote: »

i used to be very opposed to the liberal agenda but over the years i have mellowed quiet a bit .
1 abortion if people want to kill their unborn children let them the kids would only turn out like their parents anyway
2 gay if they wish hence no procreation
3 Euthanasia then they can go and kill themselves
all this will only insure that there are less lefty atheists around in the future

Are all atheists lefty? Too late, I've already procreated!

farmer john8

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Yeah, its the liberal agenda that's a problem. Wanting people to kill themselves is perfectly normal.

Not really sure what atheists have to do with it but this is AH do giving out about them is normal enough, have you ever read mein kampf? You would enjoy it.

so you have read mein kampf for research i suppose ? i dont read that sort of thing

Pherekydes

farmer john8 wrote: »

so you have read mein kampf for research i suppose ? i dont read that sort of thing

I'd say there's a lot of stuff you don't read.

farmer john8

apart from religion nature is a the great leveler.the strong survive the weak fail simple
if people dont want to believe in what the pope has to say so be it .
but dont try to pull the rest of us down to your level

K4t

farmer john8 wrote: »

apart from religion nature is a the great leveler.the strong survive the weak fail simple

The truly strong dedicate their lives to preventing the weak from failing.

if people dont want to believe in what the pope has to say so be it .
but dont try to pull the rest of us down to your level

I'd rather live in hell than listen to what the pope has to say in any heaven. Please, please, don't drag me up to your magical land in the clouds.

farmer john8

K4t wrote: »

The truly strong dedicate their lives to preventing the weak from failing.

I'd rather live in hell than listen to what the pope has to say in any heaven. Please, please, don't drag me up to your magical land in the clouds.

i think this should be called the atheist army forum

BBJBIG

I'll just laeve dis here fur yis :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-kzB6cPuQI&x-yt-ts=1422503916&x-yt-cl=85027636&feature=player_embedded

jobbridge4life

farmer john8 wrote: »

i used to be very opposed to the liberal agenda but over the years i have mellowed quiet a bit .
1 abortion if people want to kill their unborn children let them the kids would only turn out like their parents anyway
2 gay if they wish hence no procreation
3 Euthanasia then they can go and kill themselves
all this will only insure that there are less lefty atheists around in the future

Genuinely love this. Can I get it on a tank top?

Just one little prob with your plan honey, gay people weren't born from homosexual intercourse so I am afraid you are stuck with us Farmer John.

farmer john8

‎Marian Finucane was on the radio last week talking about children in hospitals getting sick on the floor and nobody to clean the mess up then i couldnt believe my ears she said "bring back the nuns".this is the woman that gave decades bashing the catholic church .the people that tear down the buildings arent so good at building them back up again.