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M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

JupiterKid

Following on from the suggestion of a poster, this thread has been set up to discuss the need for widening the M7.

The section of the M7 IMO in immediate need (really a backlog need) for widening is the section from the Maudlins Interchange at Naas to the M9 interchange - basically the original 1983 Naas Bypass and half of the 1993 Newbridge Bypass. Is this likely to proceed in the near future?

Would the central median be wide enough for widening to D3M here? I'm pretty sure it is wide enough on the Newbridge bypass section but I'm not so sure in the case of the Naas Bypass.

Also, what bridges will need to be demolished and rebuilt? Or would it be more practical to drop the hard shoulder through the existing bridges?

What about the proposal a few years back to build a new junction at on the Naas Bypass at Osberstown? Will it still go ahead?

In the longer term, does anyone see a need to widen the M7 to the N7/M8 junction?

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Sheldons Brain

They should just build a toll gate and use that to fund the improvement. People from Kinnegad, Navan or Dundalk have a pay a toll to reach Dublin, let those in Waterford and Portlaoise do likewise. Or maybe just toll the new lane.

Lester Freamon

Deedsie wrote: »

Would an email campaign to TD's along the N7, M7, M8, M9 and city west help at all in relation to getting funding for this badly badly needed upgrade? It's a massive pain in the neck for thousands of people every day.

Sounds good to me!

Deedsie

Would an email campaign to TD's along the N7, M7, M8, M9 and city west help at all in relation to getting funding for this badly badly needed upgrade? It's a massive pain in the neck for thousands of people every day.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

Only when on my bike.

MayoSalmon

Deleted User wrote: »

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

I don't own a smart car;)

[Deleted User]

MayoSalmon wrote: »

There is only 1 lane on our roads with some grass in the middle:pac:

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

MayoSalmon

Deleted User wrote: »

What des that matter? Stay in the left lane unless overtaking (or avoiding a hazard) and all will be well, be it a 2 lane or 10 lane section.

There is only 1 lane on our roads with some grass in the middle:pac:

[Deleted User]

MayoSalmon wrote: »

None

What des that matter? Stay in the left lane unless overtaking (or avoiding a hazard) and all will be well, be it a 2 lane or 10 lane section.

MayoSalmon

tonc76 wrote: »

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

None

L1011

tonc76 wrote: »

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

The M7/M9 and M4/M6 merge are on 2 lane dual carriageways. A dual carriageway has the same rules as goes lanes as a motorway does, anyway.

[Deleted User]

It does not matter, stay left

tonc76

L1011 wrote: »

All bar Mayo contain dual carriageways.

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

L1011

tonc76 wrote: »

Where will the people of Donegal, Leitrim, Sligo, Mayo etc etc take these tests as there are no motorways near them or should they be exempt?

All bar Mayo contain dual carriageways.

tonc76

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

True, law enforcement would help. But if tests and driver training were effective it would reduce the number of people developing these bad habits.

Also the same goes for people sitting happily in the middle lane. They aren't confident (or maybe capable) enough to deal with merging traffic and changing lanes themselves when needed.

Where will the people of Donegal, Leitrim, Sligo, Mayo etc etc take these tests as there are no motorways near them or should they be exempt?

apoeiguq3094y

ardmacha wrote: »

People cutting across lanes do so because they don't give a damn about anyone else and signs, tests etc will not do anything to stop them. Law enforcement will.

True, law enforcement would help. But if tests and driver training were effective it would reduce the number of people developing these bad habits.

Also the same goes for people sitting happily in the middle lane. They aren't confident (or maybe capable) enough to deal with merging traffic and changing lanes themselves when needed.

road_high

richiek83 wrote: »

Looks like funding is not forthcoming according to KFM.

http://www.kfmradio.com/news/16012015-0754/funding-m7-upgrades-not-forthcoming

See no reason why Kerry Group should not have been made contribute heavily to the planned upgrade being contingent on their planning permission.

ardmacha

Andru93 wrote: »

You're one of the lucky few that have a bit of common sense on the motorway.

But simple things like changing lanes or merging and exiting if they were on the test would make junctions on motorways move a lot faster because people know how to properly use then!

Also we wouldn't have any of these road warriors attempting to do multiple lanes within a few hundred meters.

People cutting across lanes do so because they don't give a damn about anyone else and signs, tests etc will not do anything to stop them. Law enforcement will.

Andru93

ardmacha wrote: »

I didn't do merging and exiting from a motorway in my test. I can cope fine.

You're one of the lucky few that have a bit of common sense on the motorway.

But simple things like changing lanes or merging and exiting if they were on the test would make junctions on motorways move a lot faster because people know how to properly use then!

Also we wouldn't have any of these road warriors attempting to do multiple lanes within a few hundred meters.

ardmacha

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

For this junction, and also for the similar M6 junction off the M4, the length of the exit lanes is too short imho.

If you compare these to a similarly used junction in the UK, the junction starts significantly further back. Usually with a long section of additional lanes with overhead gantries clearly marking the lanes. Its ok if you know its coming and are a frequent user. But for people who don't use it frequently, you can see how it happens.

Irish signposting is pretty decent at this stage, with ADS at 2km etc.
Perhaps they should have giant loudspeakers, "hey you, dozy bollocks, this is your turn".

Also, when merging and exiting from a motorway aren't examined in a test, then its bound to happen.

I didn't do merging and exiting from a motorway in my test. I can cope fine.

apoeiguq3094y

ardmacha wrote: »

What exactly is wrong with the M9 junction that causes "road warriors" to swing across 2 lanes?

For this junction, and also for the similar M6 junction off the M4, the length of the exit lanes is too short imho.

If you compare these to a similarly used junction in the UK, the junction starts significantly further back. Usually with a long section of additional lanes with overhead gantries clearly marking the lanes. Its ok if you know its coming and are a frequent user. But for people who don't use it frequently, you can see how it happens.

Also, when merging and exiting from a motorway aren't examined in a test, then its bound to happen.

fergus1001

ardmacha wrote: »

What exactly is wrong with the M9 junction that causes "road warriors" to swing across 2 lanes?

there needs to be dividing bolards to stop them from doing that if you miss it go to Newbridge and pay more attention next time !

ardmacha

fergus1001 wrote: »

M9 interchange is a joke, road warriors swinging across two lanes when they realise they are going to miss there turn off

What exactly is wrong with the M9 junction that causes "road warriors" to swing across 2 lanes?

BoatMad

fergus1001 wrote: »

Valid points dave

But I think the price of oil is just a blip
took them a while to come down but I would say they will go up a lot quicker !

M9 interchange is a joke, road warriors swinging across two lanes when they realise they are going to miss there turn off

The US is virtually self sufficient in oil as a result of shale etc

large parts of the world have yet to be searched for oil.

Hence pricing today is a result of market demands, rather then any issue of supply. SO we are not likely to see the scenario of prices shooting into the stratosphere,

Agree M9 junction is a joke, but so are many so called motorway junctions in Ireland, exacerbated by the annoying habit of motorists queue jumping

So many junctions were designed with under capacity need fixing, our short term road planning is still at its worst

fergus1001

BoatMad wrote: »

why , I merely use it to illustrate how wrong we can get predictions and the decisions we take because of that

I remember threads here rubbishing the building of more apartments and the predictions of housing crises in Dublin in 2010, !!

Predicting forwards seems to be an extension of ones biasses rather then any real accuracy

dave

Valid points dave

But I think the price of oil is just a blip
took them a while to come down but I would say they will go up a lot quicker !

M9 interchange is a joke, road warriors swinging across two lanes when they realise they are going to miss there turn off

Deedsie

Not looking good for this project. Shame

BoatMad

fergus1001 wrote: »

I feel an edit coming on :pac:

why , I merely use it to illustrate how wrong we can get predictions and the decisions we take because of that

I remember threads here rubbishing the building of more apartments and the predictions of housing crises in Dublin in 2010, !!

Predicting forwards seems to be an extension of ones biasses rather then any real accuracy

dave

fergus1001

BoatMad wrote: »

I just resurrected this one to have a laugh at all future gazing ( it was written in early 2012), It reminds me of all the " peak oil" nonsense I used to hear in college in the late 70s. Thats the great thing about the future, we can't predict inventions, we haven't yet thought of

I feel an edit coming on :pac:

BoatMad

ardmacha wrote: »

No. Traffic volumes in the Portlaoise area are only about 20k/day.
While the economy will recover, huge volume increases in a €2/litre era don't seem all that probable.

I just resurrected this one to have a laugh at all future gazing ( it was written in early 2012), It reminds me of all the " peak oil" nonsense I used to hear in college in the late 70s. Thats the great thing about the future, we can't predict inventions, we haven't yet thought of

lucernarian

pad199207 wrote: »

NAMA likely to contribute to this project but not the full funding amount of €110m

Where did you get this from?

pad199207

NAMA likely to contribute to this project but not the full funding amount of €110m