cloud493 wrote: » I don't define myself by my job, its a means to an end. So I'll do whatever pays, basically.
Your Superior wrote: » Surely if you do something that takes up 40 hours of your week, as a job does, you should find one that at least improves your life in some way?
catallus wrote: » Staff audits are good for everyone, and good fun too!
The Backwards Man wrote: » In the name of Jesus! A staff audit? Office workers justifying their existence to other office workers justifying their existence Come back Stone Age, all is forgiven
cloud493 wrote: » Thats not really a consideration. A job is a way to get money to do things that make me happy, ensure I can pay bills and rent, etc. Not the way to be happy etc.
Your Superior wrote: » Yep, it was all a bit too "Office Space" for my liking, but it's more of a tool to see if any employee has skills or ambitions that we are perhaps unaware of, and mainly a way that we can find ways to improve the working environment. It's only done every 5 years.
Hermy wrote: » And where would one find such a job?
Your Superior wrote: » By that line of thinking though, surely if you progressed your career and earned more money for disposable income, it would give you the chance to be even happier?
Baggy Trousers wrote: » 2 things I learned; (1) It's not about what work you do, how much work you did, how many hours you worked or what that work achieved...it is all about perception on how good you are for the company. (2) It's all about salary not "role" or "title" or payscales. You can be on a huge salary with some mickey mouse "title" i.e. a company will break it's salary bands if you can prove you are indispensable (often perception) For example, I once went into a pay review and demanded €5,000. Note: I did not ask for a % increase, simply €5k. My manager said no but offered 2500 and a title change to "Senior Whatever". I said you can call me Junior Janitor for all I care, I want €5000 or I am leaving. Despite blowing his salary increase budget (or so he said), I got the €5k and no title change. By asking for €5k, I more or less showed that I was worth it (or so he believed! ) It's all a game.
Your Superior wrote: » That's because you are ambitious. I once had an employee who was due a pay rise of about £4k (15 years ago, so not a bad raise in those days) ask if instead of the raise he could have his title changed from supervisor to manager. I said no, told him he'd need to get a promotion to become a manager, and gave him the £4k.
Your Superior wrote: » The happy but mediocre type are the ones who reach a career level they are content with, on a salary that obviously suits their lifestyle, and are likely to be entrenched in their role for years. A prime example is one of the managers in our R&D team. He's 39, has a wife and two kids, joined us as a researcher ten years ago and showed great aptitude and ambition, climbing to his current role within 5 years, earning £58k p.a. and driving a BMW which is the car he had always wanted and worked towards. However, his ambition has totally disappeared. He is content to stay at management level for the next 20 years and then retire. This is in some ways great for us, as these employees offer relative stability to the organisation, much more so than the true star employees do, who quite rightly are looking to further their career, and often move on to a larger company/more senior role elsewhere. The downside of course is that the mediocre and content employee doesn't show the dynamism they once did, and of course this can prevent the company from moving forward perhaps as quickly as it possibly could. So, are you a happy but mediocre employee? Content to spend 30 years or so doing the same role because it fits your lifestyle, or would you see this is a form of living hell, as I do?
Your Superior wrote: » ...It's the ambition you show and the ability you demonstrate that ultimately gets you into the job that is right for you...
The Peanut wrote: » According to this, I would be happy and mediocre. But, I am know exactly what I want to do with my life. I am on an excellent salary and I am relatively content with my job. However, in order to balance all aspects of my life, I do not want to climb any higher within the industry I work in. I do not want to travel much with work. I do not want to live out of hotels. I do not want to be getting phone-calls during the night and at weekends. I have done all that and it has gotten me to the level and salary I am now at. I want to see my wife and kids by 7pm every night. I want to see them at weekends. I want to be able to switch off at night and go for a run, etc. It's certainly better for me. Clear head, no issues with going to work which can be a stressful job. Has to be better for the company on some levels.
Hermy wrote: » And if that job isn't currently being advertised, what then?
Your Superior wrote: » ...You have to start low on the ladder and work up...
Hermy wrote: » As someone who was never career-driven and it being more than a few years since I finished school that is not an easy thing to contemplate. Ah, to be 20 years younger and have another go...:(
ToxicPaddy wrote: » If you hire someone for a job and they are doing satisfactorily, what is the need for them to be audited? If they aren't doing their job right, get rid of them. Talk about HR trying to justify their existence? :rolleyes: It's just another way for management to squeeze more from their employees without actually paying them any extra and now that the economy is climbing out of the doldrums they can't use the lack of jobs as a stick to beat their employees anymore.. I know of a company who use their employees annual review to see if they meet the" high standards" they expect from their employees, of course no one ever meets these "high standards" so as a result no one ever gets a decent pay rise or full bonus. The result is a workforce of demotivated employees who are either content to just do they normal days work and nothing more or leave. They are currently losing 15%+ of their most skilled and experienced work force to the competition, who are more than happy to better their pay and benefits, on an annual basis. Now they are struggling to find staff and a good few new starters are regularly walking out after a few weeks on the job as they are sick of the place by then. With the economy starting to turn around, It's small minded companies like this who will suffer most.