severeoversteer wrote: » I would hold on if I were you, things will get better yet
Hershall wrote: » Yeah told them I'm getting fond of them. Have nuts for a fortnight or so anyway. This time last year they wouldn't answer the phone. Great to see the wheel turning.
Willfarman wrote: » Well as another thread on this is talking about memory loss and farming! Coveney sold us out in 2014. We were left to the wolves... And he is still in his super shiny suit and sitting in his leather chair..
primary 2 wrote: » what do you hope to get in two weeks?
Hershall wrote: » I don't know but if numbers don't get to plentiful I'd say they will get a bit dearer but I don't think they will rocket up either. A bit like pulling teeth now!!!
huey1975 wrote: » Good lad, it's coveneys fault the kill was up 10% year on year. Those Fianna failures will sort it all out. When beef was at a record high in June 2013, I don't recall Coveney getting any thanks but now he gets the blame. It's unfortunate but the factories will never pay anymore than the absolute minimum to secure supplies
mf240 wrote: » When cattle are plentyfull they want them between 280 kg and 400 kg under fat score 4h but over 2+ not bulls not even a bit strong. Less than four movements and preferably not friesans. And all under 30 months.When cattle are scarce they need two tags and a pulse.
huey1975 wrote: » How does he preside over the industry? Do you understand the laws of supply and demand? Oil prices are currently falling due to increased supply from Saudi Arabia and decreased demand from China. When any commodity is plentiful it's price falls and when it gets scarce it's price will rise!! I don't think this phenomenon has only arisen since Simon Coveney was appointed Minister
Good loser wrote: » The co-ops tried the meat business a number of times and always failed badly at it. Only the tough survive. As far as I can see beef finishers like to buy their stores as cheaply as possible.
Willfarman wrote: » He is in charge of the department of Agriculture. Agriculture is farming. Beef farming is agriculture. I was snagging turnips the day teacher done the chapter on supply and demand but I understand the principle, as I do cartels, corruption and the the principle of processers and retailers now being like the tail Wagging the dog The retail price of oil has fallen and is falling. The retail price of beef didn't and won't rise now either.
Willfarman wrote: » Larry goodman would have failed too only for Charlie bailing him out with the peasants taxes. The crooked the corrupt and the greedy monopolised the irish beef processing industry, no amount of "toughness" will allow a new entrant to flourish when it is unregulated and anti competitive. And yes we buy our store as cheaply as possible but we don't conspire to manipulate the marketplace.
huey1975 wrote: » You're not really very bright , are you? You try to buy the raw materials for your business as cheaply as possible, and that's what the factories did last year. The minister cannot set the price of beef, the same way that he cannot set minimum prices for meal or fertilizer. If a tonne of ration falls to €100 / tonne and millers and tillage farmers come under pressure , The minister won't be on the phone to you demanding that you pay €200/tonne because that is market forces. Why would the factories pay €4/ kg last summer when they could buy beef at €3.50/kg. I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next man but when farmers were at marts buying Holstein bull calves in the hope of making money from them, and outbidding exporters who were shipping them to Holland and Spain where they have the expertise , climate , feed stuffs and markets, I wonder how many of those lads were out in the rain snagging turnips when they should have been listening in school.
huey1975 wrote: » I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next man but when farmers were at marts buying Holstein bull calves in the hope of making money from them, and outbidding exporters who were shipping them to Holland and Spain where they have the expertise , climate , feed stuffs and markets, I wonder how many of those lads were out in the rain snagging turnips when they should have been listening in school.
Cavanjack wrote: » Anyway the good news is that quotes for next week are €4.10 for bullocks and 4.15 for heifers. Plus the €3 bonus
rangler1 wrote: » +1 Some common sense at last. High prices cure high prices, see 2013 - 14
Farmer Pudsey wrote: » What is happening at the moment with oil is a political game. Manners has to be put on Russian over Ukraine. It suits Saudi Arabia as they also can cripple the UK shale gas industry. The other outcome will be the revival of the US economy coming into the the 2016 US Election. It call Win Win Win. Win for the US against Russia, Win for Saudi against the shale gas industry, and for the Democrats. It has nothing to do with high oil prices curing high oil prices. Oil prices will recover faster than many think the Saudi are not stupid they have a finate resource. Beef prices did not collapse to any great extent elsewhere in Europe. Why are prices still not on the floor with supply numbers. Processors are back filling there chill rooms as fast as possible, beef bought now may seem cheap in 6 weeks time. The reality is that a lot of the collapse was manufactured by the processors having the ability to control the kill last Christmas 12 months by having control of there own and rented feedlots. They continued this by creating backlogs of cattle bulls, over 48 months over 30 months, cows etc through the year. The only time we heard a peep out of Simple Simon was during the horse meat saga and I almost forgot when the ICSA treatened the QA scheme. If more lads had supported the attack on QA we be in a far better situtation today. In my Books I rate him as the worst Agri minister that I remember in my time. Most Agri Ministers are swayed by the IFA and the Processors however he has really taken the biscuit. I think he began to believe his own pubilicity and taught he was a possible future leader of FG. I doubt if he will ever be and I hope for FG sake they never elect him to that position. He is the most useless lump of **** we have had as a minister. I have never seen an Agri minister as unpopular amoung farmers.
primary 2 wrote: » is that overage or underage?will you chance letting some go yourself this week?
Robson99 wrote: » In spec heifers are 4 15 this week but I don't they qualify for the €3 Euro bonus
