longshanks wrote: » I never mentioned racism. I asked are you going to organise a protest outside the well known traveller gangs house as you said you organised the protest against the Roma. What is your criteria for organising protests? Which gangs get a free pass? And why?
O Riain wrote: » As for you 7upfree, ignoring the plight that people are suffering in the direct provision system and alleging that they are not indeed actual 'asylum seekers' is ignorant at best and racist at worst.
"A small but well placed minority of commentators have sought to create the impression that Ireland's treatment of asylum seekers is harsh and unfair. They have consistently concealed the real facts from the Irish people. Moreover, they have sought to create the impression that anyone who points out the true situation is engaging in political racism. They hint at international comparisons which do not exist. They refuse to address the very large abuse of asylum protection in Ireland. They claim to believe that it is wrong to point out what is happening lest it create prejudice against genuine asylum seekers. They are engaging in a form of verbal intimidation of those who would tell the truth."
Dealing fairly but efficiently with the large number of unfounded asylum claims which are being received which represent over 90% of the total asylum applications being processed annually
RobYourBuilder wrote: » http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PR07000171 Over 90% of them are bogus.
invalid wrote: » Not wishing to enter the argument but that statement was made in 2005, 9 years ago. Time has most assuredly moved on, it is now irrelevant is they are real or bogus, 9 years is far to long to let anyone's life be in such a limbo.
And in fairness I do not believe in an amnesty per say, and if this was 2005 I would be totally against it. But it is not it is 2014 and we have locked people up are exorbitant cost for years and now its time to stop and actually stray to act rationally. And teh opnly rational, fair and honest thing to do now is to give these people there life back
As for this exacerbating a problem you must first see a problem. I do not.
I see no problem in a properly structured and monitored method of migration; the Irish have been doing it for centuries (that is migrating, not structured). I just believe we should have a fair and honest structure that offers protections to the state against those who arrive but are not willing to contribute and protections those who are seeking a better life for themselves and their children
I just believe we should have a fair and honest structure that offers protections to the state against those who arrive but are not willing to contribute and protections those who are seeking a better life for themselves and their children. I believe that racial diversity and the integration of new cultures can only strengthen this republic, not weaken it.
Robert Putnam, Diversity in Communities wrote: In recent years, Putnam has been engaged in a comprehensive study of the relationship between trust within communities and their ethnic diversity. His conclusion based on over 40 cases and 30 000 people within the United States is that, other things being equal, more diversity in a community is associated with less trust both between and within ethnic groups. Although limited to American data, it puts into question both the contact hypothesis and conflict theory in inter-ethnic relations. According to conflict theory, distrust between the ethnic groups will rise with diversity, but not within a group. In contrast, contact theory proposes that distrust will decline as members of different ethnic groups get to know and interact with each other. Putnam describes people of all races, sex, socioeconomic statuses, and ages as "hunkering down," avoiding engagement with their local community—both among different ethnic groups and within their own ethnic group. Even when controlling for income inequality and crime rates, two factors which conflict theory states should be the prime causal factors in declining inter-ethnic group trust, more diversity is still associated with less communal trust. Lowered trust in areas with high diversity is also associated with: ●Lower confidence in local government, local leaders and the local news media. ●Lower political efficacy – that is, confidence in one's own influence. ●Lower frequency of registering to vote, but more interest and knowledge about politics and more participation in protest marches and social reform groups. ●Higher political advocacy, but lower expectations that it will bring about a desirable result.Less expectation that others will cooperate to solve dilemmas of collective action (e.g., voluntary conservation to ease a water or energy shortage). ●Less likelihood of working on a community project. ●Less likelihood of giving to charity or volunteering. ●Fewer close friends and confidants. ●Less happiness and lower perceived quality of life. ●More time spent watching television and more agreement that "television is my most important form of entertainment". Putnam published his data set from this study in 2001[4][5] and subsequently published the full paper in 2007.[6]
Putnam has been criticized for the lag between his initial study and his publication of his article. In 2006, Putnam was quoted in the Financial Times as saying he had delayed publishing the article until he could "develop proposals to compensate for the negative effects of diversity" (quote from John Lloyd of Financial Times).[7] In 2007, writing in City Journal, John Leoquestioned whether this suppression of publication was ethical behavior for a scholar, noting that "Academics aren’t supposed to withhold negative data until they can suggest antidotes to their findings."[8] On the other hand, Putnam did release the data in 2001 and publicized this fact.[9] The proposals that the paper contains are located in a section called "Becoming Comfortable with Diversity" at the end of his article. This section has been criticized for lacking the rigor of the preceding sections. According to Ilana Mercer "Putnam concludes the gloomy facts with a stern pep talk".[10]
I have never seen in any debate that we should restrict the influx of Germans, English, Dutch, French or Americans to this state
Let’s get real about this, if we want to have a better country, and a least a better looking country we should encourage migration here.
And to take up your last point again, what about the undocumented Irish in the USA, should they be deported? Do they contribute nothing to the USA? Are they just abusing the system for economic gain?
invalid wrote: » And to take up your last point again, what about the undocumented Irish in the USA, should they be deported? Do they contribute nothing to the USA? Are they just abusing the system for economic gain?Of course not.
MRnotlob606 wrote: » Some of these lefties are doing my absolute nut in. what have they done for this city at all ? besides the usual rhetoric and shouting racist at anybody who dares to stand up against organised crime.
navalus wrote: » I never knew we had one of the highest foreign born populations in the EU, if this continues will we be a minority in our own Country ?like the native American and Aboriginal Australians.
Cool. Anyone in DP has been refused refugee status, subsidiary protection or leave to remain because their claims are unfounded.
BlaasForRafa wrote: » More than 90% of Asylum seekers are bogus, they are economic migrants who thought by declaring themselves asylum seekers would get them into the country so they could work. The main thing that's wrong with the Irish asylum system isn't direct provision, it's that the deportation process is so unbelievably slow.
mollymosfet wrote: » The "Racist card" card is really old and needs to stop. People need to learn to examine their internal biases instead of presuming themselves to be saintly and above that. Most people are racist to a degree since we're raised in a whites first culture, and that needs to be pointed out. So get over it. If you're asking such an elementary question it's pretty clear there's a complex answer. If their charlatanism was that obvious, then even the Irish system would catch it. There are reasons why that happens, but that would regard you to care about the lives and life experiences of Asylum seekers to hear them out, which you do not.
mollymosfet wrote: » Oh yes, because people making ignorant, sweeping remarks against the Roma people are very mature. Why is it acceptable to throw insults at an entire race of people, but yet calling out racism is taking it too far? Also, don't even start with the Tumblr/SJW ****... no. You are not more mature, more world wise, or anything like that. I know Roma people, and I have some good idea of what persecution as like even if I've never experienced on that level. You are not mature, you are sheltered and commenting on an issue you are largely ignorant of.
I work with people with sever mental illnesses and have worked with refugees over the years....so you're barking up the wrong tree there. I've known plenty of Roma people over the years.Same as any other group of people, some are nice and others are scum bags. Race has nothing to do with that.
You're in the relm of the "I'm not racist because I have a "insert different race" friend.
IMO that makes you an even bigger bigot as you feel that your friends are so worthless that they need a big, let me guess transgender/self diagnosed autistic/what ever makes me special this week, white pillaged person to speak up for them because they can't do it them selves.
You both degrade them and your self by playing the victim card and being an aggressor at the same time. The internet is full of kids like yourself.
You've never really experienced the world outside your sheltered little vacuum of victimhood. No one's ever really pulled you on your **** and because you were always told you were special to stop you from throwing a tantrum, you were stupid enough to believe it.
Much better be a keyboard warrior and get that good self righteous feeling than actually try and make a positive effect on people or actually try and communicate with people. You catch more flys with honey....or is it Ethopians.
You are not special, you are not telling people anything they don't already know, none of your thoughts now or in the future are original in any way or form.You will never see the irony of your beliefs versus your actions. You are a millennial and you will never learn because you are incapable of it.
mollymosfet wrote: » There are remarks being made against the Roma people. This is racist. Most people have no idea what they go through. I don't just know Roma locally, I'm friends with prominent online Roma activists & Historians. I'm right to call this out. None of what you've said changes that. Actually this is literally just the trick you pulled directly above. I've said nothing racist to defend in the first place. No, because again, I've done or said nothing racist, at least not as overtly as others in this thread. Also I am not self diagnosed autistic. Where did this come from? It is ableist to assume I self diagnosed. You're showing a very stereotypical Anti/reverse-SJW bent here. My point is that I'm less sheltered than those who make judgements on the marginalised. I could never claim to know what it's like to be Roma, of course. Which is why, unlike you, I try to believe them and not racist scumbags who care more about their iPhones than human rights. I'm not a kid. I'm also not degrading the Roma. If there were Roma people here to speak up, I would give them the platform. On the other hand, you and your friends would harass them into silence. I've seen this happen before. If you were Roma - would you want to set foot on a forum where it's acceptable for people like AlekSmart to call for them to be wiped out from this country? So many of them are tired of arguing. It is better that I, an ally, speak up in place of nobody at all. Again, all the language you're using is typical anti-SJW **** and anti-SJW **** is often rooted in outright bigotry. You are using derailing/goading tactics here - "sheltered little vacuum of victimhood" - what does that even mean? And I haven't been told I was "special". I've been told I was a freak, a tranny, and my own parents didn't accept me until fairly recently. Even though they're supposed to be very conservative on these matters, my Roma friends and Asylum Seekers have defended me without question and even given me support when I was discriminated against(kicked out of a pub for being trans - on a night when we were putting on a gig in aid of the Asylum Seekers - nice). Of course i'm going to sympathise with people who don't treat me like filth over people who turn me into a joke purely for speaking up for my own rights. Given how it's a sensitive topic right now - playing down how difficult it is to be transgender or mentally ill makes you an asshole. What have you experienced that gives you a right to say this, exactly? I don't live in a vacuum, quite the opposite. As I've said countless times anti-SJWs are generally the ones that refuse to leave their bubbles. It's one thing to say you have "Roma friends" but quite another to actually listen to them. All of this is completely meaningless ranting. None of it changes the fact that there is a strongly racist attitude towards the Roma in this thread, on this forum and in this country and even if I am not Roma I am right to speak up. Why am I not special? How are your thoughts more original than mine? What has being special got to do with calling out racism? What does being a millennial? Seriously, all of these are red herrings and derailment tactics. The goal, as always, is to shame your opponent into submission. And there is so much transphobic and ableist subtext in this I'm surprised you didn't just outright call me a snowflake(though maybe you did, I actually get a headache trying to read your post). Past the first 2 lines which is the "Roma friend" argument, absolutely nothing of what you said has any real relevance on the argument whatsoever. Also whelp it looks from your posting history that you're a GamerGater and not even one of the reasonably sympathetic kinds, but the SJWS SJWS SJWS SJWS rape culture doesn't exist lol kind.
wellboytoo wrote: » Could anyone decipher that for me please?
mollymosfet wrote: » the crime you're seeing amongst the roma only exists due to centuries of deeply racist persecution that you're helping sustain with posts like this.
