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Hurleratheart

ANNONCORK wrote: »

Some great opinions on this from many people :-)

I think in Cork Hurling we have a tendency to pick out players from a young age and act like they are the next big thing. This not only puts a lot of pressure on their young shoulders and takes from their enjoyment of the game but it also sets them up for scrutiny and harsh critics. Unfortunately you have average players praised for their ability also. We have young hurlers, often talented thinking they are Christy Ring himself and in turn their hurling is affected by how big their egos are. I understand that is harsh but in reality its the truth.

Unfortunately Cork hurling is some what corrupt at the top (lets be fair it is) and of course this is going to affect what happens on the ground!.

It is clear as day in hurling to be like the likes of the best we've had you have to be physical, aggressive (in a positive way) naturally skilled, and most important humble. This is something we lack in all areas of Cork hurling.

Your prob right in most of what your saying - sometimes its easy lose the head with top top youngfellas but you have to have confidence to
I'd be happy with your first three talents - humble could be a bonus

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

With Harty dates and venues out Id encurage anyone around to get out and support the Cork lads, twould be great to get as many tru as possible

Best of luck to AG Friday, Weather is cat I hope it wont effect the fixture

Hoping to get there but not sure - if I do I put up a few lines of a report

Totally agree

Looking ahead next week weather wise I pray god no wind mallow as ptich always hugely exposed any wind and is difficult play in

Rochestown should be delighted with charville in played there already this year know ptich

Hurleratheart

With Harty dates and venues out Id encurage anyone around to get out and support the Cork lads, twould be great to get as many tru as possible

Best of luck to AG Friday, Weather is cat I hope it wont effect the fixture

Hoping to get there but not sure - if I do I put up a few lines of a report

thinkstoomuch1

Fao Seventh

Are Ag Mhuire all set huge Friday

No injuries worries I belive
How you feeling now the game is close

thinkstoomuch1

All games at 1:30pm unless otherwise stated
Dr. Harty Cup Under 18 1/2 A Hurling Quarter-Final Draw
A Hamilton High School Bandon V Ard Scoil Ris – January 14th at 1:30pm in Mallow
B Rochestown V Nenagh CBS – January 14th at 1:30pm in Charleville
C Castletroy CC V PS Youghal – January 14th at 1:30pm in Cahir
D Thurles CBS V Gaelcolaiste Mhuire AG – January 9th at 1:30pm in Kilmallock

thinkstoomuch1

Hugely hugely hugely worry news cork senior football

Echo said tonight eammon murphy I rate good writer huge huge doubts all three goulding kelly and kerrigan being part cuthbhert plans come summer

Kelly he correctly goes further says vital to cork if plays he got raw deal last year

Thank god some one st least had ba##s to call spade spade regards kelly getting raw deal

Murphy ballincollig man so course he knows story kelly

Were in January huge doubts remain over three panel members yet were carrying lot passengers imo

Seriously like I'm not being harsh but this is a joke absolutely utterly a joke

He correctly said flangan will improve fitness but said tactical nous remaie seen

See like I said flangan still won't have main part this set up probably doesn't want to in too involved and he's kerry

Murphy clear as day putting question on rest management who provides tactical nous
In he said cork physically be fine but said tactical wise cork need more balance, have to be balanced and that means imo rest management got step up

Well imo none them have it with greatest respect football sense soley it's the blind leading the blind imo tactical wise

He said correctly at last hallelujah midfield serious problems and really gould likely get one start but other options up grabs

He correctly said cussen has questions marks o do it over having legs to last

I'd go further imo mindset big games he lacks

Thankfully he did mention humiliating defeats kerry and just said loss to mayo didn't say one point moral defeat loss talk

He correctly said it's vital kerrigan goulding and kelly remain in panel

He mentioned that point more than once

In January here we are and huge doubts remain over cuthbhert plans three lads

If cuthbhert hasn't kelly included or goulding etc it awful consider others being carried but if kelly and goulding just don't want be there it's just as poor reflection imo on the panel

Huge uncertainty imo now cork football

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

TTM.. Bandon V ASR is in Mallow,
Rochestown V Nenagh is in Charleville both matches 14-1 at 1.30 pm.

Smith thanks lad much appreciated thank you

Tough one choose between

Richestown should win so Ard scoil Could do support having Said that really like Richestown

Smith614

TTM.. Bandon V ASR is in Mallow,
Rochestown V Nenagh is in Charleville both matches 14-1 at 1.30 pm.

ANNONCORK

Some great opinions on this from many people :-)

I think in Cork Hurling we have a tendency to pick out players from a young age and act like they are the next big thing. This not only puts a lot of pressure on their young shoulders and takes from their enjoyment of the game but it also sets them up for scrutiny and harsh critics. Unfortunately you have average players praised for their ability also. We have young hurlers, often talented thinking they are Christy Ring himself and in turn their hurling is affected by how big their egos are. I understand that is harsh but in reality its the truth.

Unfortunately Cork hurling is some what corrupt at the top (lets be fair it is) and of course this is going to affect what happens on the ground!.

It is clear as day in hurling to be like the likes of the best we've had you have to be physical, aggressive (in a positive way) naturally skilled, and most important humble. This is something we lack in all areas of Cork hurling.

thinkstoomuch1

citykat wrote: »

TTM1 fyi Cody is no director of hurling in KK. He's too busy between work and the seniors to be telling anybody else what to do. He does dictate fixtures come championship time alright. The minor/U21 are autonomous and allowed to get on with it as they see fit.

I had a chat with one of the main men behind the development squads last year after the U21s bowed out against Wexford. I asked him where IHO it went wrong. He put it down to the players - basic lack of commitment. He said (more or less) you can talk tactics all you want but in KK the training is straightforward: lads pair off and play ball over and back to improve their touch. The game plan is then simple - win your own ball.

Fair to point but look I have seen Kilkenney training many times its myth just win your own ball
There drills are brilliant

Cody knows inside out what happening in Kilkenney and I have no doubt has huge input important matters but yes it's and correctly so down played

citykat

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

If there actually serious behind the committee changing hurling despite all meeting upon meeting it should been mandated cork simply like Dublin and kerry all have director of football and Kilkenney also
Well Kilkenney be fair have one unwritten but the y had one since 98 brian Cody who has huge influence everything in Kilkenney hurling and board always gets he's input. Not said but done behind the scenes

TTM1 fyi Cody is no director of hurling in KK. He's too busy between work and the seniors to be telling anybody else what to do. He does dictate fixtures come championship time alright. The minor/U21 are autonomous and allowed to get on with it as they see fit.

I had a chat with one of the main men behind the development squads last year after the U21s bowed out against Wexford. I asked him where IHO it went wrong. He put it down to the players - basic lack of commitment. He said (more or less) you can talk tactics all you want but in KK the training is straightforward: lads pair off and play ball over and back to improve their touch. The game plan is then simple - win your own ball.

thinkstoomuch1

Cork hurling team for ul will be named today

Football named Thursday
Cuthbhert gone back to later announcements it seem
Makes no Difference but enthusiasm imo naming team so early seems wavered a bit
I hope they don't think this one change will help cork as imo they as results showed done very little with lot lot lot work to do

thinkstoomuch1

Anyone know when other venues for harty cup please be announced

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2015/01/06/former-cork-selector-nolan-new-haven-boss/

Huge surprise as Mccarthy was like posted while back set to be their manager
They say he decides to change he's mind as he couldn't decide selectors. I doubt he'd have any problems finding men work with him, was it and I genuinely don't know,that's why I'm asking????but was it a Case selectors being pushed on him didn't want work with as strange as is now working with the excellent legend john Cleary at under twenty one

What happened??? Can haven following here tell us what happened
Castle have better under twenty one management than the cork senior Mccarthy awesome coach

Nolan is good in certain regards but he's nothing like Mccarthy so haven imo while talent there and be strong really doubt now can they win county
Clyda chances beating them Gone up as English imo is better than Nolan where with Mccarthy haven had tactical mastermind

As for cussen being making jump from intermediate club yes credit due but management are faulty picking him do a job he can't double
However other cork players made jump from junior and intermediate club in the past to play for Cork
Cussen shouldn't be picked just as he's from intermediate club and he's tougher journey make and it's romantic idea
You can't pick on sentiment
I see he's on the echo again tonight, another article
The only question is imo irish times or Sunday independent next, surely make national media it's just a matter of time surely at this stage
Geuinely I'm not being smart here but attention he gets just one game back as if he's cork white hope I don't agree with
He's being built up imo as if he shouldn't be dropped.
I geuinely feel for the guy as he's being built up hugely and will be expected do so much that he just won't be able to do
I think he'd make a fine fitness coach as he keeps himself good nick and imo could have coaching potential
If I was cork development squads soon john hayes retires have him involved In coaching.
He'd imo make fabulous coach
I was right when I said kissane would be good coach before he ever started.

Mcgeralit ex kerry player goaled 99 munster final coached cork senior hurlers and I had no problem as was good coach, unfortunately he was under Denis walsh so coaching fitness wise go out windows when you have poor manager team
Just watch cork minor football this year, fitness wise and bleep test there fine, problem is other side of it

Problem I have with flangnan is while he's totally professional he as tony keen said loathes cork then I worry about kerry connection.

As regards Aidan walsh brother cork double yeah I couldn't remember the name thanks
Paul must be the cousin so, handy player too at club level
Ian walsh I think twas a cruciate or leg injury. Yeah serious serious player.
Imo he's bigger than walsh but he can move and is tough in the tackle.
Place kicking poor enough but cork don't need him as a free takers but out of the hand he's an accomplished kick passer.
He always pops head up when he has the ball. Great sign looking for the off load or player in space.

Like new Zealand in rubgy there game breakers are just good as they break the tackle but unlike some like for example Downey was they break the tackle but don't look up and off load so the continuity breaks down even though hard yards are made.
Walsh win ball but ist instinct isn't to go in to contact he's always looking to move the ball at pace and has kick passing to do it essential for any midfielder at any grade imo wanting to be successfull.
He's still needs to develop he's game but that comes down to good coaching.

Splendid article on great I mean great really great sandie fitzgoibbion in today's echo Christ she was some athletes and also camoige player and basket ball player
I remember growing up watching her camoige In sunday game highlight camoige brilliant player
She was tough as nails
I saw her play basketball, she was brillant.
I'm not a huge basket ball fan, non contact doesn't inspire me but even when the USA terry Strickland played with Neptune burgerland at time and other men usa players were hottest things in town in basket ball I'd no real interest in them as I saw as their game they Should be great in ireland, but saw greater deal in young cork camoige player absolutely brilliant at basket ball when she was unlike the American who were well paid idols glorified in the national media imo she was true idol for me better than any does who played without pay and love of basket ball and camoige same time represented ireland also
I went see few games of her in basket ball.

I mentioned sandie before here. Great read article on her today.
And it was great Cathy landers got mention, mother seamie harnedy, she was a great great I mean really really great player now.
Real hurling to the bone, no wonder seamie is awesome.
She's very down to earth like he's father is also no airs and graces, real real gaa people.

http://www.newstalk.com/Hurling-2020-on-a-collision-course-with-the-GAA-over-refereeing

No major rule changes to refereeing of the game, so manly aspect it seems be still there so cork have to just get on with it, and change refeee protocol in county cork which they can in bring that style to country style as country style won't change now

Jbm and Daniel kearney said cork club scence must be improved and surely Christ when kearney pure hurler says cork hurling too soft it's time to wake up and change things

The proposal for overall hurling director imo is good but in line with its efforts to protect hurling in all big counties, I'm not sure one man over all provinces can sustain that and while talks reductions funding if targets are not met will make frank in cork cautious as new pairc needs funding I still don't think cork influence by director national hurling is sufficient and too late in this could be ultatiam put on in cork standards hurling dropped since 2006, and evidence last strike showed croke park for all their bluster hurling needs the game in cork, well they didn't do much imo to make sure cork were improving things and despite certainly some standards being met imo croke park turned and will continue to so a blind eye to the political mindset that is so evident in ccb as seen by Cleary over looking and that problem when comes down to management being picked ccb still answerable to know one so like development squads cork may meet required targets of others etc etc it won't matter a dime when poor poor managers over politic policy are given top jobs and every time a major cork Job is up for vacancy I hold my breath in fear we will get it spectaculary wrong.

Imo cork should have been looked at as a crying shame and yes singled out as cork was in top three hurling but is just minnow in all three level bar intermediate where it was once, no minors in fourteen years or so, under twenty one in eighteen or so, senior going on ten years and look this was all down neglect one man, Frank murphy as he had sole control on cork gaa as Secretary cork where after the drama and false promise last strike he gone was in three years, then became five and now again he's still there

Padraigh Duffy preached from top table frank would be gone in that strike end of he's term, but we'll frank went no where, and sure Duffy is a man cut in the same cloth, term up but renewed again another seven years gaa director general
These men imo think their jobs for life

If there actually serious behind the committee changing hurling despite all meeting upon meeting it should been mandated cork simply like Dublin and kerry all have director of football and Kilkenney also
Well Kilkenney be fair have one unwritten but the y had one since 98 brian Cody who has huge influence everything in Kilkenney hurling and board always gets he's input. Not said but done behind the scenes

Cork should be told wanted funding croke park, yeah well give you money but frank as soon as pairc ends it's written stone he gone, no exception upon exemption and appointment director hurling picked by croke park not the ccb and yes be cork man like o grady and criteria is has be cork man as cork hurling must be understood
Cork hurling far far too large to not have a director of hurling
It should been recommended by committe as standards cork dropped hugely
I though cusack was on the committee.
He wasn't, looking at some names on it, sheedy some good, but there's a few yes nodding heads imo on it , not exactly lads challenge views imo

A lot of proposals but lot main issues imo ignored
As for both yellow cards you can bring man back on its a joke imo
No mention munster championship unless I missed it
What a joke if they didn't

League plays off been done away with is a bad idea and proposals to think about eight man format waste time as County then go through motions in the league and standards will drop.
Limerick will probably get excited now fair enough that one top division league Is brought back but look if you are not top six team imo don't deserve be up their
I said the same when cork were down, cork deserved be down on the field play

When frank go?? There's the over blown myth by he's disciples pairc needs him.
If there's an electronic power cut or a tap don't work you call electrican or the plumber.
To do the books you get an account.
To answer the phone you get a secretary, well one can type do other secretial duties also

Despite this myth pairc doesn't need frank murphy run it.
As bob said cork gaa isn't owned by any one man.
Well I'm sorry now bob but imo it seems it is as frank it seems is the once voice in cork.
Accountant and a top administration can run the pairc
Get director hurling deal cork side things that run things there ways and once targets met set by independent overall hurling director croke park he's left alone
Corks director hurling answerable croke park for period time until they get their house in order then leave them be

Let board look after board matters, fixtures planning, disclpine etc. Club duties
Diarmuid o Donovan would be fine as that role once frank and old gang imo are gone
But like I said before Donovan top administration but keep him away from managing or having roles imo picking managers
Brian Cuthbert genuinely give him a role in administration top role but no where near managing teams or picking managers

Tracey Kennedy and ger lane would be great to support him also
But director hurling looks after hurling side of things soley at all level including standards club hurling that is dismal in corl currently
When football review is done cork appointment director football as clear as day cork gaa need too separate bodies fight their own corner as football is clearly seen as poor relation in cork despite preaching cork ccb gets equal status, imo it doesn't as seen by the latest debacle in senior football.

As for ed coughlan I think it's far from waffle, maybe some have not the knowledge of articulation on the subject to understand he's values, With greatest respect in he knows what he's talking about and could I think be ahead of he's time, stuff he talks about is imo innovation of thought and superb attention to detail and truly scientific
People must not be intimated by science in the game and say it's waffles , embrace it and let it lead us where no man has led us before In the gaa imo

He very rarely speak publicly to self promote himself, coughlan well versed in professional sport in England etc and maybe just maybe he reads other fellas complete imo spoofing as top coaches speaking waffle and unproven where he's totally proven and probably said to himself in my opinion I better show my worth here

He done a tremendous job in mayo and will do with dublin also
Ger cunningham obviously rates him, Donie Buckley kerry and james horan and Keith ricken, so that's good enough for me.

Also wit cit in a role he is and Aidan walsh already spoke glowing of him despite only working with him short time
Talking to people who worked with coughlan I'm told he's top top man and he's ahead of he's time If anything.

Regards non dominant eye training he's spot on as brian cocoran got help in this regard and brian mcgugian otherwise wouldn't won all ireland so yes there is huge value to dominant eye training to help players
I know one currently under twenty hurler with county who has such problems is getting such training to improve him in the game so those dispel it as waffle should imo try under stand the subject it may help them understand the science behind it then

Extract on the great I mean really really great brian cocoran from he's book every single ball on peripheral vision he's problems with it
[

I was born with a lazy right eye. It meant a lot of visits to the Eye, Ear and Throat Hospital on Western Road as a kid and having to wear these bloody thick-rimmed brown glasses with a big elastic band around the back that I absolutely detested. In the summer of ’81, we were having a family picnic in Farran Woods when a wasp got inside my glasses. I jumped up and down, trying frantically to get the glasses off, but the wasp stung me, and by the time we got to the hospital my eye had swollen to the size of a sliotar. Another day, I was hurling in the field behind our house with my brother John and our cousin John Kelleher. Just as my brother was taking a shot, I walked straight into his swing. I wondered where all the blood was coming from, then realised it was pouring from my eye. When my mother dashed to the scene, she was sure I had lost my eye. I was rushed to hospital and my eye was saved. But whether it was the wasp, walking into John’s swing or a defect from birth, I’ve had defective vision in my right eye for as long as I can remember.
I can read fine, as my left eye is 20:20. The problem begins when I have to judge distances and moving objects – problems, in other words, like tracking a sliotar flying at you at 70 miles an hour.
You often hear hurlers talk about getting their ‘eye in’. Well, it’s particularly true for me. Now, when I was a kid, getting my ‘eye in’ wasn’t a problem: I had a hurley in my hand morning, noon and night. But, as I got older, that wasn’t possible. I played Fitzgibbon Cup games when I might as well have been on a rugby field. I’ve come back from injury or a winter break and looked like a novice.
Sometimes, I got hooked or blocked because I’ve little peripheral vision in that eye. In the 1999 All Ireland semi-final, I was having a stormer when I picked up a ball and looked down the field to see who was free. But, just as I threw up the ball and swung, John Troy came up literally on my blind side, flicked it away and scored a point. To this day, I still get slagged about it. If I go back through my career, I’ve rarely got blocked or hooked off my left. But if opponents knew about my bad eye, I’d have been blocked or hooked a lot more often.
That’s why I’ve told no one.

]

Peripheral vision it's common knowledge it's huge part In the game and in sport in general and particularly in rubgy imo
Brian mcgugian Tyrone football had it after an injury in he's left eye came back won all ireland in 2008 son of frank great player that brian was also huge fan of mentioned him in he's book
Mcgugian retired shortly after over injury so peripheral vision hugely important in the game

As brian cocoran mentioned he had huge problem with it so had work on he's one etc stronger one eye
Tell him its waffle

It's well known many gaa teams do specific training drills on improving peripheral vision
Rubgy teams do it all the time
There's a coach currently in the football scence in cork I know big in to such drills
It's only nonsense imo to people with no knowledge at all about it so rather try and understand it they say it's waffle imo

Cocoran spoke he's blocked a lot on he's blind side.
Tennis players do lot coaching in that regard dominant eye vision as speed of the ball Is fast and furious and one v one you make a mistake your gone. No team to help you out
If tennis player has right side swing and has use the left side eye as he weak right eye so left eye is dominant, is right handed when he goes hit ball, right sided hand is not seen by left eye when goes hit ball as part of he's nose blocks the full view, and you take the aim like in shooting with your dominant eye, so you won't have time to fix it swing time you loose accuracy
Tennis players do dominant eye training all time As to improve .
I suspect golfers and cricket also in anything required hand eye coordination and possibly hockey I'd guess
This is common just ed coughlan and science taking it further.

Now hurling a faster hand eye coordination game imo deemed fastest game by some around where you have opponents up yours arse so to speak hooking and blocking you will have huge problems in hurling now unless you work on weak areas
Also every every skill technical wise is observed by top coaches now even top pundit like cusack said Aidan walsh weak left aera striking so In aera dominated by video annalise it's totally naive and ignorant not to think any weaknesses by top top coaches won't be targeted
As cocoran who I'd guess know a think or two about hurling said if back then he's weakness was known he's been blocked a lot more
Gaelic football all about space now vision is imperative also
Game has changed and will do so. You can't like some become stuck in time

Now obviously certainly coaches some counties won't speak this so called waffle like coughlan they will do Old school old school ways and thoughts and go back traditional ways like tear In the opponent and just hit the ball nonsense yet game has evolved hugely in time imo and we'll you snooze you loose.
Easy to know who winners in sport are as they had boldness. Innovativton, bravery Commitment and willingness to embrace and see through new ideas in the evolution of their teams
Those like coughlan survive like cian o neill. Jerry Wallis, mcguinness , Kinnerk, seanie Mcgrath ucc. Ger cunningham cork, David Matthews, all because at their given time they were ahead of the rest in preparation of teams where every detail is thoroughly analysised so no gaps exist in performance.
Simple really and truly at the end of the day. Just my opinion of course,coughlan doesn't do waffle of any kind , probably doesn't even have waffles with beans as waffles bad for you and a Man he's expertise knows there empty calories and he's in to he's science
I see no problem with hurling or sports going scientific if benefits the game
Seanie Mcgrath and jerry Wallis Brought new ways to cork in told lads bout hydration and not just cup water after game but more importantly drink lites day before
And how during game had sugar fruit pastilles
Players told in cork ist thing in morning check resting heart. If up even by two beats there over training etc and when had slash check colour urine, shows hydration level
I told this old fella once he said ah makes no difference A piss is a piss he said
They introduced body fat level blood testing etc
And be fair all science sport helps in one such test introduction for all health gaa players cardiovascular wise spotted a serious default in top young cork players heart and only for that could be far far more serious
Science in sport must be applauded and embraced

Well it proven since it does matter hydration wise
Just imo naive and incorrect for people make fun of what coughlan said in it actually makes sense

commonsense.

Smith614 wrote:

the Michael Moynihan article with Ed Coughlan in the examiner was hard reading. In fairness these lads know how to promote themselves and talk crap. Sorry but i thought it was a complete waste of space in the examiner. Fair amount of waffle in it. I heard a well known sports psychologist giving a talk recently and it was hard to believe how anyone could buy into some of the rubbish he was on about.

Have to agree with you. Every team looking for inches to give them an edge but some of this stuff is away with the fairies. Non-dominant eye training???? Jaysus they'll be adding Specsavers to the Dublin backroom team next.

N20

Smith614 wrote: »

the Michael Moynihan article with Ed Coughlan in the examiner was hard reading. In fairness these lads know how to promote themselves and talk crap. Sorry but i thought it was a complete waste of space in the examiner. Fair amount of waffle in it. I heard a well known sports psychologist giving a talk recently and it was hard to believe how anyone could buy into some of the rubbish he was on about.

I went back and read it to check if I was losing the plot - total agreement with you Smith, peripheral vision in non dominant eye training my arse.

Statistics statistics and damn lies - talk about flogging it

A bit of value in fella coming back from rehab alright but other than that very self indulgent I thought - normally I think Moynihan is very good but I was scratching my head reading this one

by contrast the piece on burn out today very relevant

I read on Waterford thread where Stephen Bennett supposedly in trouble with hips again, that's cruel on a young fella

Far too many teenagers having serious knee, hip ops - now I suppose fellas can have a given weakness but a lot of these problems have to be down to too high an intensity at a young age

Smith614

the Michael Moynihan article with Ed Coughlan in the examiner was hard reading. In fairness these lads know how to promote themselves and talk crap. Sorry but i thought it was a complete waste of space in the examiner. Fair amount of waffle in it. I heard a well known sports psychologist giving a talk recently and it was hard to believe how anyone could buy into some of the rubbish he was on about.

wackokid

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

What do you think lads of Denis Hurley calling George Durrant as the young player to watch for Cork footballers this year ?...interesting ....also on Michael Cussen a much maligned player to be fair to him hes been asked to play senior intercounty football coming from a Intermidate a club football a big step even if he was good enough ....you know its funny but Cussen by now could have two senior All-Ireland medals one each code ...football loss in 2007 and hurling loss in 2013 ! on saying all that i dont think for one minute think he is going to make it now ..with respects to him. TTM i not sure but has Aidan got only one brother called Tommy now thats some name Tommy Walsh !! great to hear that he is so promising ..what age now ? Also i often wondered what happened Ian Walsh the first Cousin ...i saw him play for Kanturk against Kilworth in the county hurling final of 2012 i think and he impressed me hopefully he can stay injury free now ...what was his serious injury that stopped his progress ? Cheers !

CD............Very old but very true saying............PAPER NEVER REFUSED INK. Explains Hurley's balderdash.

CORKDOUBLE

What do you think lads of Denis Hurley calling George Durrant as the young player to watch for Cork footballers this year ?...interesting ....also on Michael Cussen a much maligned player to be fair to him hes been asked to play senior intercounty football coming from a Intermidate a club football a big step even if he was good enough ....you know its funny but Cussen by now could have two senior All-Ireland medals one each code ...football loss in 2007 and hurling loss in 2013 ! on saying all that i dont think for one minute think he is going to make it now ..with respects to him. TTM i not sure but has Aidan got only one brother called Tommy now thats some name Tommy Walsh !! great to hear that he is so promising ..what age now ? Also i often wondered what happened Ian Walsh the first Cousin ...i saw him play for Kanturk against Kilworth in the county hurling final of 2012 i think and he impressed me hopefully he can stay injury free now ...what was his serious injury that stopped his progress ? Cheers !

thinkstoomuch1

Cork tipp clonmel sunday

Now they will be tested talk was cork tries for mallow but tippeeary refused and correctly so as last time cork played them in the competition they lost in cork
I'm delighted it's in clonmel as take players out of their comfort zone

thinkstoomuch1

Dan mceoin yes I think was in the other ptich Training.
Good to see also Paul flynn ex cit sigerson winner and Ballyclough and cork under twenty one etc I think from a distance twas him,he's back on the panel.
If it was him, I must keep eating carrots as I have great eyesight

He should get run over gould or cussen
We don't know if flynn is senior but give him a chance at midfield as imo we know cussen and gould won't do in June

I see benefit in this for mac eoin in can't play Mary I He's injured should have played if fit in should played for cork ahead of hayes and Desmond simply cause you look at mac eoin done in it in Minor all ireland final v Tyrone done it v kerry in under twenty one in kerry and then all ireland final under twenty one so logic imo is he's way more pedigree than Desmond no offence to Desmond and mac eoin should been bloodied yesterday as mac eoin has senior written all over him

That man is credit to himself, spent numerous times early morning spinning etc loose extra pounds and he's top top shape and he's some talent
Real toughness in him and just what you want v kerry or up the north.

Now cork don't need full forwards but I'd have him sub over hayes any day of the week
Dan type player that actually go through motions in challenge games imo but big games proven proven performance club and county the last few years

What I like about Dan is not just he's attuide but I really like he's legs.
He has awesome legs I mean great really great legs I'm huge fan off, as he has Such power in he's legs and strength and has such pace in he's shot. I love watching him kick a ball.
I have never seen as much power in a shot imo

I'm huge fan of him as a player.
Slightly non cork, but that was some farce where Fermanagh named their team and yet had fifteen changes starting team. I geuinely feel for journalists cover that game

Any one know what happened??illness cover in the panel or late with drawl or just a dummy team
Must surely be a record for any team in a team named but none of the named team actually started the game.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2015/01/05/cuthbert-upbeat/

Ciarraluaith I agree, didn't think it's realistically good be judging lads on Sunday and saw other piece in the echo where all new guys got good ratings
My apologies you have good valid points In Mary I may rattle trench cup if they go for it as with kerry lads. Leonard also and have limerick under twenty one who missed sunday have few lads and if mac eoin is fit could rattle it but going back to the cork game they had no such strength and interest in it
I think there great college but shouldn't enter this competition in mcgrath cup next year

In this interview I see it's more positive from cuthbhert but I don't see it yet on the field
The mention of kerrigan and kelly goulding unconfirmed when they be back is huge worry in just my fear will kelly be back???? and goulding

I still can't fathom why goulding was given clearance to miss this competition when cadogan, shields o rourke had all equally long season yet there back.
Kerrigan was training at start with them I don't see why he should be left off break unless injured.
I'd expect goulding and kerrigan to come back alright definitely.
Cork season ended early unlike kerry last year so kerry have excuse to rest player

Like it's January in fairness not long to championship now
Look at jbm hurling I don't think anyone was given time off.
Brian murphy a great great I mean great now, player last year waited til spring announce retirement but most cork knew he'd call it a day

Hugely concerning cuthbhert special single out of cussen they in he's impresses he's display
Reminds me last time recalled cork senior hurling I said exactly same thing now as said then
Jbm said felt he was good and after ucc game felt made mistakes year before
Jbm learned as year went on only played him once absolutely has to with horgan sending off and load injury
He never played championship after that
I think he'll start for cork in championship despite how he plays league as imo form means absolutely nothing to current cork criteria picking the team if you go last year and this year
I knew twould happen and I'm not surprised in the slightest cussen gets good reviews in the echo , meant be impressive display.

This in other papers has been done with cussen time after time in hurling and football He's so tall people loose realistic judgment imo of him as a player
You judge your players performance by judging he's direct opponent.
O driscoll cork lads greatest respect hardly in top ten midfielder in cork
Leonard be fair has pedigree from corofinn but hardly elite top under twenty one midfield in the country
Cuthbhert lauded him with praise in he offer cork something different, a very good footballer underrated, uses ball well, and defo have another look against better opposition he said.

I said it every league hurling game or even challenge where he got two goal in cloghduv v tipp in hurling challenge in may two years ago on the eve of the championship and following day cork paper blew him up, he wouldn't do it senior elite hurling I posted here in the championship
Unfortunately and I get not one ounce of joy to say I was right.
I wanted him to do well but just knew he wouldn't.
Against limerick as a sub he just didn't get involved.
No surprise never used in the all ireland finals then.

What Is the fascination with him. In he gets chance after chance after chance with football and hurling cork teams others can't even get on the panel
Nothing against ladas he's geuinely meant be lovely fella but management are completely wrong
I'm not sure tipp midfield sunday but hopefully peter acheon plays as with no riordain cork need to be tested
People may wonder why do I keep mentioned cussen
Answer is simple. I only mention him primarily because and soley he's kept been blown up by different people as cork great hope when purely on field of play he's record proved hes not up to it
I'd like to know what kerry people here think of he's chances against moran Buckley etc???

Firstly contary to cuthbhert who thinks he underrated he wasn't rated yes highly by jbm, Counihan etc so all threw can't surely be wrong?????
Pat ryan naturally sarsfields will rate him as he's manager he said this year should been on the cork team.

Did he or did he not get completely destroyed by Aidan walsh last year in a club game, he just didn't want to know physically wise
Cussen apparently was surprised cuthbhert called him up, all credit to cussen be fair he didn't expect it either, he's not the only one surprised imo
He was always better hurlers than football so couldn't make it hurling wise football imo he won't

Secondly just my opinion he didn't actually use the ball very well overall yesterday what about wasted possesion he kicked away at times
Thirdly what does he offer cork different???
Imo nothing.
Yes he's new under cork football of cuthbhert Reign but played in 2007 and under Counihan Then after tried as full forward also and failed as cork also tried ridiculous notion of walsh and murphy at full forward just cause kerry done it and we're successful
Imo it shows how naive cuthbhert is in they think cussen is cork Donaghey

Counihan imo was never a tactical genuis but you look at players he picked beto be fair all had a work ethic and desire to work work work etc
Counihan dropped masters and then cussen as imo those two didn't work hard enough for him
This Is my point, he's work rate or temperament in big games won't change now at he's stage in he's career.
Jbm dropped him as wouldn't work. Look at Cooper, cussen imo is far better hurling man skill wise.
I said it many times cussen has the skill.
Cooper however will develop as he's a trojian worker and tough as nails from he's rubgy background and but for a serious backs injury would be more of a complete hurlers but he'll get there he just needs game and landers I hear doing lot work on he's striking.
He has it, attitude, desire. Want, he's a warrior.
I remember crying out here this very thread at half time cork v water. I said bring on copper
And I was right.

Not that I'm great more so anyone watched Cooper could see he's potential
Cussen can't reinvented he's attuide now in big games imo.

Kissane was reinvented by Counihan at late stage yes but kissane with clyda always had work rate. Heart of a lion etc
Kissane football was developed be fair to Counihan he deserved immense credit for that
Problem was as the game evolved kissane wasn't cork best option after 2010 unless cork played a blanket he'd been brilliant.

I don't think people actually fully understand the quality Donaghey has in different skill set of the game or realise murphy walsh and cussen had not same balanced skill set as them for full forward and make no mistake you read it here first when cussen struggle he will be shifted in full forward which means cork will actually then means one of Hurley or o neill, doc or even Hodnett,mac eoin looses out

If cork want their carbon copy clone of Donaghey they will never get him in only one mike Gibson, one Roy Keane, one Maurice Fitzgerald etc but they will get a player close to him in Dan mceoin.
He's big, awakward to handle, he's beautiful to watch in the sky, like an air bus a380 in the sky in he's powerful, can carry huge work load, rides out turbulence as a cruising speed but more importantly on gaa field rarely does he crash and burn.

Self praise is no praise tbh but I must praise myself in I said cussen would be profiled in the media, look one game in and imo it's like cussen is corks answer at midfield and all talk about a second coming etc

He may be a towering figure in size but people get fascinated with bulk but no good if he doesn't have dog of steel within which he clearly doesn't In big games like Buckley maher etc

Compare him to padraigh lucey of kerry a towering young lad now with geelong in the afl, but never really made it ucc under Morgan or even kerry
Morgan didn't get carried away by such a towering figure
Morgan you see was a great great I mean really really great manager

And I think if lucey came home he wouldn't be picked by fitzmaurice imo and he's tall very tall
He's fairy tale romantic story if ever you want one , went on the recruit an aussie reality show for afl got picked from that by geelong
He may and I hope he does do well in the afl
I really hope so but you wonder was that just geelong doing afl irish connection thing, in will he actually be major player there
But fitzmaurice imo doesn't do emotions that's why he's a great great I mean really great manager

There's more to Gaelic football than towering figure.
Pity our men in management don't realise that like great Morgan who can differentiate between physically big players and other ABSOLUTELY VITAL TRAITS ELITE SENIOR FOOTBALLERS MUST HAVE.
Football is a simple game yet some over complicated it imo.

At least thank god we have eammon ryan staying on ladies manager. Now that's a great great great great really really great manager.
I geuinely belive honestly cork ladies would actually give thecork men lined out yesterday a serious run for there money in a game of football that's imo no exaggeration at all or trying to be smart or insult the men, no just on game football id say ladies would win that game or come close

As for the post that Kevin o neill hurling was best prospect from he's age group in Minor half forward ball winner imo I would disagree.
That age group included Michael cahalane far far better than o neill who yes is good but no where near cahalane, now cahalane did play one game at centre back but that was down to a manager that had no idea the best places for players as show by he's absolutely baffling team selection not once but time after time after time with not one cork team but actually three cork teams.

Trevor horgan imo much better than o neill also in that panel.
I do agree o neill could develop further and had real potential yes but as the point was made he's not in college as far as I'm aware
I would love to see him with the cork Intermediate team and get games.

Jbm said tonight in the echo he'd pick same team for Saturday for waterford crystal as last Saturday where possible so as you would expect it's a new team to a point for game in canon Michael o brien
Hopefully huge crowd turn up late great man deserves it
Tyrone armagh had eight thousands while meath Westmeath was delayed yesterday half hour over big crowd so while Thursday may not get same number I think any game once there's good reason can bring in a huge crowd and imo be big crowd three nights time

Looking at who's available from who started saturday for the ul game saturday

Ucc are not out this weekend or are cit but some cork lads be with college's in this competition

Patrick collins likely be college where does attend ???
Fresher may be available

Will kearney available after injury
Before got injured I didn't think he was great

Cahalane should start full back and he needs games

Killan burke ucc should be unavailable
Sean o donughe ucc should be available as won't playing fitzgoibbion cup likely fresher ucc
Cormac Murphy who was outstanding again, likely be with ucc so unavailable
Brian o Sullivan ucc I'm unsure if he's still in ucc in been there a while may be available, I think he's gone so would be available for cork

Rob o shea ucc unavailable
Brian Murray available I think left college
Peter kelleher ucc available as fresher
Andy walsh should be available
Alan Frahill o connor available
Anthony Spillane ucc unavailable
Luke o farell should be available
Luke meade harty cup quater final Wednesday week so remain be seen cork will play him saturday v ul. Likely be unavailable
Dayne lee likely to be unavailable also over harty cup Friday even if they loose be unfair to ask him play a day later

Colm barry who had a fine game as a sub is likely to be with Mary I v Tipperary Friday night.
I'm only giving my view lot guessing here so I must point out team I think will start I could be wrong of course For Saturday game

Jbm said more regular lads be picked for Thursday night canon Michael o brien cup and expectation strong side close regulars he stuck to it all credit due or so as they will correctly want to honour the late canon and ucc probably have rob o shea , cadogan , lehane, Spillane, lining out as there not out til next week in the waterford crystal cup

Saturday v ul be more experimental with around ten of the team id guess that started v limerick starting
I'd expect glen o connor and Paul haughey to start

As for the team for Thursday brilliant,it picked now as generates interest for the game and it'd picked strong team only right to respect the canon imo

Good full back line, I'd wonder
Why Is Joyce corner back??!
Yes he'll be fine in the game but that's not the point, the point is he's not a corner back as proven last year v tipp or even in under twenty one v tipp four years ago

Colm Barry awesome player. Great game saturday, interesting hoe he gets on, I seen him full v tipp at minor and v clare under twenty one and I don't think he's a full back
But he's worth a run in corl need cover for cahalane and barry is with Mary I from weekend on
Interesting see if played Friday night day after for Mary I v Tipperary.

Mcdonnell fine
Murphy had to start and clear as day imo line start v Kilkenney as he's flying in training and in challenge v limerick
He won't be with cork saturday as with ucc so clear thry wanted him get more game time as only other game he start will be imo v WExford end month before league opener
Lorchan fine centre back as half back he's only position.
He'll go short for puck outs

Walsh I's fine half back and will be brilliant so not huge shock as he played kanturk there this year v blarney gave exhibition , and for cork minors also played half back alongside Paudie sullivan and Adrian mannix

Kearney and coughlan fine at midfield
Coughlan seem light but he's not has real dog and bite, touch and score long distance he'll relish this role.

Half forward line copper harnedy fine and copper needs games buy will get better and better
Lawton no way should he be there, imo not good enough, well see now Thursday, I don't see it in him
Darren Mccarthy should be half forward instead him with luke starting as he's needs games
Good see Paudie starting
Horgan dreadful dreadful call as he talk the the talk paper today. He'd want to realise all he says about driving on he actually needs do it himself as at Club and county he imo had from play poor season

Playing him in this game is poor call from management as he'll do what he does light up game. And go missing then the next big game.
He should be dropped and told he's place up for grabs and I actually think it would make him as a. Better player but he plays as if he thinks he undroppapple.
Cody would dropped him I guarantee you with he's attuide long time ago and I think horgan would came back a better play but cork imo are molly codling him.
Horgan all star eight years on panel, cork must demand and expect more

Good team overall and huge improvement from last year in jbm direction and attuide is better with picking lads have real chance make panel championship and overall two games nearly in couldn't fault teams picked and there doing all expected of so far.
You see this unlike the football has a direction to it

Went to watch ian walsh play last night under twenty one football, worth long journey, in Michael won glen ville cup game handy but walsh loaded midfield
He's bigger than he's cousin Aidan and but for bad injury would be better again
He's on cork under twenty panel trialing and he should be he's win ball but he's mobile but fast for a big man and savage work rate and good kick passing
Midfield of him and Ian maguire be untouchable for cork imo
Barry kennellally cork minor sub keeper just sixteen played half forward.
Strong for he's age.
Michael were better team, credit due , i had no real interest bar to watch walsh

Talking about Aidan walsh he's younger brother not lad Paul played last night but much younger brother is meant be real deal, mark my words future cork minor hurler in a few years.
Unbelievable talent has it all.

Hurleratheart

Figsy32 wrote: »

Canon O’Brien Cup - Cork v UCC Thursday 8th January

The Cork Senior Hurlers open their season with a challenge game v’s U.C.C. in the Canon O’Brien Cup at the Mardyke, Thursday, January 8th at 7:30 p.m.

Cork Senior Hurling Team

Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
Colm Barry (Castlelyons)
Stephen McDonald (Glen Rovers)
Cormac Murphy (Mallow)
Lorcán McLoughlin (Kanturk)
Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)
Seamus Harnedy (St.Ita’s)
Bill Cooper (Youghal)
Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Couple odd positional moves but it's the time of year to try things out I suppose.

agree with you - few interesting movement in backs, Aidan walsh played half back at minor and was handy apparently, can't fault dem for looking at new options

Figsy32

Canon O’Brien Cup - Cork v UCC Thursday 8th January

The Cork Senior Hurlers open their season with a challenge game v’s U.C.C. in the Canon O’Brien Cup at the Mardyke, Thursday, January 8th at 7:30 p.m.

Cork Senior Hurling Team

Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
Colm Barry (Castlelyons)
Stephen McDonald (Glen Rovers)
Cormac Murphy (Mallow)
Lorcán McLoughlin (Kanturk)
Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)
Seamus Harnedy (St.Ita’s)
Bill Cooper (Youghal)
Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Couple odd positional moves but it's the time of year to try things out I suppose.

Horse84

Team to play ucc
http://gaacork.ie/news/349267/Canon_O_Bien_Cup_Cork_v_UCC

ciarriaithuaidh

TTM, small point but slightly harsh on Mary I I feel..on balance they probably should have opted out of the competition, but they had 4 lads who played with the Kerry u21s on Saturday and 3 or 4 others with other teams also, so they actually wouldn't be that bad with proper preparation. Whether they will get that or not, I don't know. Last time they probably had a proper run at it was a few years ago, when Donie Buckley was with them..no coincidence they won the Trench cup that year. Paddy Kelly was one of their main men that year.

If Cork field a similar team next Sunday and Tipp are anywhere near full strength, it will be a far sterner test obviously. I don't think a loss would even be the worst thing if you saw enough to make a call either way on some of the players being tried out. Looking at tonights Echo there was huge praise for all of them, which isn't being very realistic!

CORKDOUBLE

Corn Ui Mhuiri fixtures for the 21st. of January....

Rochestown v. Col. Na Sceilige

Clonakilty CC v. IS Killorgan...

Best of luck to both Cork Schools....

thinkstoomuch1

rle Iarbhunscoileanna CLG
MUNSTER GAA POST PRIMARY SCHOOLS FIXTURES
All games at 1:30pm unless otherwise stated
Dr. Harty Cup Under 18 1/2 A Hurling Quarter-Final Draw
A Hamilton High School Bandon V Ard Scoil Ris – January 14th at 1:30pm – venue TBC
B Rochestown V Nenagh CBS – January 14th at 1:30pm – venue TBC
C Castletroy CC V PS Youghal – January 14th at 1:30pm – venue TBC
D Thurles CBS V Gaelcolaiste Mhuire AG – January 9th at 1:30pm in Kilmallock
Corn Uí Mhuirí Under 18 1/2 A Foot

I was right said last week don't be surprised with a Friday game least cork have chance see two teams in action

thinkstoomuch1

Great read in sunday independent yesterday on Tracey Kennedy and Jordan women roles at top table in gaa.

Good to see
Also article on jbm son barry murphy soccer careers they just finished in England sunday times, great read imo
Coughlan imo terrific coach guaranteed he learned lot from Donie Buckley also
That's like I always said ist thing manager does to win fans in soccer he buys top player makes a real of statement intent, gaa manager does more in the appointment of a top coach
Ger blue ist Job made some statement intent by the appointment of ed coughlan
So it's easy why players fans give cunningham a year's and two as they have proven record
In cork case reason imo people so criticism current set up in football is most of that set up haven't any proven record last year or this year, yes Flanagan brilliant record be fair. But how much real input has he tactical wise,my concern.

Early yet but I see Tyrone beat armagh.
They will pose real problems for cork in Omagh and Colm Kavanagh and mcnulty are a formidable midfield.
Cork can have all the forwards they want but I fear no possession at primary source and high turnover count is huge fears I have from last year
Good coaching could rectify that though.

My apologies I forget about valley rovers collins, i always rated him player think got bullet goal in league final v Waterford I think
I was all thinking more also for senior down the line in championship , cahalane yeah played in the league would've made its without a doubt

Thanks Denis

Any new regards harty cup venues please??

CORKDOUBLE

I am glad you said that Michael Sheilds and Eoin Cadogan are a must for the Cork Full back line ...they are our two best and toughest backs ....Cuthbert did mention that they used Cadogan out the field to give him lots of ball practice as he has missed lots of training because of been in Armagh...i hope thats all it is .....i believe that Dan McEoin was there yesterday training with a seperate group along with Brian O Driscoll , Sean Kiely etc....some of these players are tied up with the Colleges for the McGrath Cup...

denishurley

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Hamilton will take huge confidence from luke meade three goals the weekend
Meade done good but imo midfield half forward he's best position, must be ist Hamilton lad since pat kennellally play senior for cork

Eamonn Collins and Michael Cahalane are two Hammies alumni to have played for Cork since since Kenneally