AlekSmart wrote: » Bearing or not,they would remain...."Interesting" figures....;)
alastair wrote: » Not really.
AlekSmart wrote: » To others,perhaps ?
alastair wrote: » To those who are overly obsessed with the notion of immigrants under every bed; maybe, but to anyone else; no.
AlekSmart wrote: » Pointing out,and debating the obvious,and less obvious shortcomings in these policies hardly equates to an "Obsession",does it ?
AlekSmart wrote: » Odd response indeed.There's no Immigrants under my bed or indeed of anybodys whom I know....Why would you post such a nonsensical remark ? Do you see yourself as having to defend the fort against hordes of savages intent on destroying Liberal Ireland's good standing in the World ? There are those who are concerned about present and future Irish Immigration and Asylum policies,but such concerns does'nt directly translate into what you appear to percieve. Pointing out,and debating the obvious,and less obvious shortcomings in these policies hardly equates to an "Obsession",does it ?
alastair wrote: » I'll tell you what's obvious - pregnancy isn't a basis for leave to remain - no matter how much the obsessives like yourself try to distort the claim. Perhaps if you tried to constrain yourself to actual, genuine, concerns, rather than make stuff up? Just a suggestion.
rgossip30 wrote: » Do you have as link to show to the contrary ??
rgossip30 wrote: » The link below shows the reason for granting leave to remain including Irish born children.
rgossip30 wrote: » You still see a lot of African women not in the asylum system with young children .I live in an area with no asylum center nearest one is 35 kms. The majority of Africans here are former asylum seekers.The number of work permits issued to nationalities of asylum countries is small.
rgossip30 wrote: » This link also shows how a grandchild of an Irish citizenship can also get Irish citizenship. When you consider that 70K non Irish have got citizenship this could open doors for more to enter in the future.
alastair wrote: » Contrary to what? It does not. It mentions the residual 2005 legislation, which no longer applies. The few families that have been granted leave to remain on that basis date back nine years. Is there a point coming here? It's always been the case. And no 'non-Irish' have got citizenship. If they have citizenship, they are Irish.
rgossip30 wrote: » I mean those living outside Ireland who obtained citizenship by decent.
rgossip30 wrote: » The cost of the asylum system alone is 150 million a year .You can add to this cost of welfare,housing and education.
alastair wrote: » The diaspora - always considered Irish under the law, since the foundation of the state. There are millions who fall under the granny rule, and that's been the case for a long time now. Why would I add that figure to welfare or housing? They have nothing to do with the asylum overhead.
rgossip30 wrote: » True . I refer to those that do not work granted refugee status,leave to remain ,subsidiary protection and sham marriages .
Nodin wrote: » You've figures for the numbers involved and the amount spent specifically on them?
Pixie Elf wrote: » I absolutely know that this is one area that power is abused....i know of people that have been singled out by management who then request that security check rooms....
Honestysucks wrote: » I totally agree with tolerant from cork.They do not have to spend every night there.I had a b/f who was in direct provision and he would be away at mine for 3-4 days at a time without returning.
AlekSmart wrote: » Oh dear...you do realize that you'll very soon be asked for a link to this ......;)
Nodin wrote: » You've a problem with proof being required before a claim is accepted?
alastair wrote: » Contrary to what? It does not. It mentions the residual 2005 legislation, which no longer applies. The few families that have been granted leave to remain on that basis date back nine years. Few families?? DP was jammed up to 2005 and after the 2005 amnesty, the centres almost emptied... surely a lot more than "a few families" as you claim?
Daisy Dasi wrote: » To be fair I also knew a girl from Iran who lived in KRAC in 2005, lovely girl... she used to come and stay with me and my family for days on end... wasn't it in the papers the signing of the daily register anyway was scrapped??
rgossip30 wrote: » Asylum Seekers can opt to live outside Direct Provision .This may prove to be an advantage as they can remain here longer .
rgossip30 wrote: » Asylum Seekers can opt to live outside Direct Provision
This may prove to be an advantage as they can remain here longer
conorh91 wrote: » I would probably be perceived by the bleeding hearts as being on the hated "anti-asylum seeker" side of these discussions, but I feel the above suggestion is a little disingenuous First of all, there are a very small number of legitimate asylum seekers. But the ones who are the most legitimate are likely to be the most destitute, since they may have been marginalized and persecuted in their respective countries of origin. It is unreasonable to expect the legitimate applicants to be capable of supporting themselves, and until their applications are processed, it is impossible to know who has legitimate fears, and who does not. How? I've been trying imagine scenarios whereby independent living may facilitate a stay on deportation or be conducive to a successful decision, but i cannot. It is true that family relationships may be likely to result in leave-to-remain but you don't need to be living independently to achieve that. Most are not.
rgossip30 wrote: » Believe what you want.
mr pickles wrote: » Please read this Sligo Woman's Husband Deported To Nigeria Then read this People warned me not to marry him but I was blinded by love’ says Irish mother betrayed by her husband Sorry you have to google The comments on the article are very interesting
conorh91 wrote: » not a very convincing argument. I'm going to go ahead and assume that what your wrote was untrue.
rgossip30 wrote: » You appear to be trying to drag something out of nothing. I did say it may prove to be an advantage.
There is also an underlying reason aslyum seekers are left for years in the hope they will get frustrated and leave .
