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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

Kermit.de.frog

I think it is in May.

I won't because it does not affect me. If they get it passed fair play but I doubt i'm in a minority when I say I have little interest in it.

I think this apathy might be the biggest risk to the referendum and also the appeal of giving the government a harmless (in my view) kicking.

Anyone feel the same way about it? I just could not be bothered. I think it will be like the children's referendum. Very low turnout.

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Calibos

So Heavy is a 17/18 year old brought up by fundy catholic or Christians who hasn't really started thinking for himself yet and broke the programming, is a young heterosexual male who is still in the Gay sex is Icky phase.

Don't worry, there is a good chance his views will change when he goes to college, his horizons are expanded, he's out from under the thumb of his uber religious parents and he learns about the joys of heterosexual bumsex. While he won't likely ever partake of the homosexual variety as a heterosexual male, he certainly won't find it as 'icky' anymore and he might adopt a live and let live policy. ie adopt a more 'Christian' attitude.

osarusan

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Tell me heavy,

They're banned from the thread now.

fran17

eviltwin wrote: »

Yamanoto sent me this clip that says it all really.

Its a US senator arguing in favour of SSM. What stood out is that she is a widow and she talks about how when she thinks of her late husband its not the physical act she misses, its the person, the companionship, the togetherness.

Gay relationships aren't just about sex.

What is the difference between a straight relationship and a gay relationship apart from sex?

Delirium

fran17 wrote: »

What is the difference between a straight relationship and a gay relationship apart from sex?

if two men or women are in a relationship but not having sex, are you suggesting it isn't a homosexual relationship?

_Kaiser_

Anywayyyyy, as entertaining as the last few pages were reading back here, to bring this back on topic I probably won't bother voting although I've no issue with it. Live and let live.

osarusan

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Live and let live.

If this is your philosophy, surely you should be voting 'yes' to give SSC the chance to 'live'.

jobbridge4life

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Anywayyyyy, as entertaining as the last few pages were reading back here, to bring this back on topic I probably won't bother voting although I've no issue with it. Live and let live.

I can't imagine being that apathetic about legalized discrimination. People moan and bitch constantly about how their vote doesn't matter and how nothing they vote for makes any difference. Here you have the opportunity to really make your vote count and to use your vote to have a real tangible benefit for peoples lives and we have some people saying 'yeah good for them but I can't be arsed'?

karaokeman

An opportunity to be one of the many responsible for taking Ireland out of the dark ages where people didn't respect equality?

Hell yes I will.

DeadHand

floggg wrote: »

Of course, if God is controlling these matters, it does make you wonder why nearly all of the greatest empires known to man were non-christian. From Alexander the Great, the Romans, the Ottomans, the Persians, the Chinese, the Mongols, Tamerlane etc.

If empires only raise and fall by God's hand, then it looks like God hates Christians.

You're pushing it.

Holy Roman Empire, British Empire, French Empire, Spainish Empire, Byzantine Empire, Portugese Empire, Tzarist Russian Empire, American Empire could all be loosely described as Christian empires.

Empires rise and fall regardless of religion.

fran17

SW wrote: »

if two men or women are in a relationship but not having sex, are you suggesting it isn't a homosexual relationship?

But in a normal,healthy and loving relationship.Apart from sex what is the difference?

_Kaiser_

jobbridge4life wrote: »

I can't imagine being that apathetic about legalized discrimination. People moan and bitch constantly about how their vote doesn't matter and how nothing they vote for makes any difference. Here you have the opportunity to really make your vote count and to use your vote to have a real tangible benefit for peoples lives and we have some people saying 'yeah good for them but I can't be arsed'?

Polls indicate an overwhelming "yes" vote as is so I doubt I'll be missed. The posts in this thread alone also show that it's an issue that you're almost not allowed to vote against anyway from a social acceptability standpoint which also will help carry it.

Personally though I have no friends or relatives who'd be affected by this so hence it's not an issue that I'm interested enough in to go out of my way for.

There's a lot of legalized discrimination that needs to be tackled .. look at how men/fathers are treated in divorce courts/custody battles for example.

jobbridge4life

fran17 wrote: »

But in a normal,healthy and loving relationship.Apart from sex what is the difference?

There is a huge difference between my relationship with my friends of the same sex (gay and straight) and the relationship with my partner. I mean if the difference isn't inherently apparent and obvious to you then I don't know how anyone could be expected to explain it to you.

ZiabR

1123heavy wrote: »

Billy, I'm sure you're more than aware of the punishment God served those people. From the drowning of Pharaoh to the destruction of both Greek and Roman empires.

You think that the destruction of the Greek and Roman empires is because they practiced homosexuality?

I don't even know what to say to you heavy. You follow a book, all of your views are based on a book, nothing more.

floggg

DeadHand wrote: »

You're pushing it.

Holy Roman Empire, British Empire, French Empire, Spainish Empire, Byzantine Empire, Portugese Empire, Tzarist Russian Empire, American Empire could all be loosely described as Christian empires.

Empires rise and fall regardless of religion.

Of those, only the British and Spanish empires could compete for the title of largest.

Possibly the Russian empire, but much of that is a frozen wasteland.

Christians never really held much land outside of Western Europe until the 16th century and after. For much of history though, they were fairly weak compared to the great empires of the East.

So if God was directly controlling the rise and fall of empires, he didn't particualrly favour christian empires for most of the last 2000 years.*

*Of course God doesn't control this things, but I was just pointing out how stupid it was to think that the collapse of the Roman Empire (after the embraced Christianity) was anything to do with a punishment from God.

iDave

Things really are going to get ugly in the run up to May. A campaign really not worth following.

jobbridge4life

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Polls indicate an overwhelming "yes" vote as is so I doubt I'll be missed. The posts in this thread alone also show that it's an issue that you're almost not allowed to vote against anyway from a social acceptability standpoint which also will help carry it.

Attitudes like that are why people like you will probably and unfortunately will be missed.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Personally though I have no friends or relatives who'd be affected by this so hence it's not an issue that I'm interested enough in to go out of my way for.

That you know of. Though again that is beyond a lame reason not to vote.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

There's a lot of legalized discrimination that needs to be tackled .. look at how men/fathers are treated in divorce courts/custody battles for example.

There is indeed what that has to do with deciding whether to bother to vote to end another form of legalized discrimination is beyond me though.

floggg

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Polls indicate an overwhelming "yes" vote as is so I doubt I'll be missed. The posts in this thread alone also show that it's an issue that you're almost not allowed to vote against anyway from a social acceptability standpoint which also will help carry it.

Personally though I have no friends or relatives who'd be affected by this so hence it's not an issue that I'm interested enough in to go out of my way for.

There's a lot of legalized discrimination that needs to be tackled .. look at how men/fathers are treated in divorce courts/custody battles for example.

Actually, low turn out and apathy such as yours is a legitimate fear. It really will be a close call precisely because so many people will take a similar view to yourself.

And while you may not be aware of any gay people within friends or family, that doesn't mean there isn't ot there won't be in the future.

Imagine telling your gay son or daughter in 20 years time that the referendum failed because you didn't care enough to go vindicate his rights.

_Kaiser_

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Attitudes like that are why people like you will probably and unfortunately will be missed.

That you know of. Though again that is beyond a lame reason not to vote.

There is indeed what that has to do with deciding whether to bother to vote to end another form of legalized discrimination is beyond me though.

The question in the OP was "will you vote", not "justify the reasons why you will or won't" to be fair

Whether you agree or not, it's not an issue that affects me to the point that I feel the need to go out of my way to vote in it - especially when, as I say, it'll be overwhelmingly carried anyway by those who DO vote

floggg

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The question in the OP was "will you vote", not "justify the reasons why you will or won't" to be fair

Whether you agree or not, it's not an issue that affects me to the point that I feel the need to go out of my way to vote in it - especially when, as I say, it'll be overwhelmingly carried anyway by those who DO vote

You can do whatever you like, but if you post about being apathetic, then it's natural enough people will respond.

And it is far from guaranteed it will pass. unfortunately there are too many people like you who it "doesn't affect" enough for you to care.

While the no side are a small minority, they will mobilise to go and vote. So with a low turn out, their higher turn out rate could be enough to carry it.

While nobody can make you vote, would 30 minutes really be that much to give up in order to help pass something which will give us equality, and send a huge affirming message to so many LGBT people in the country - particularly young people who may only hear negative messages from their peers and family.

kylith

logik wrote: »

You think that the destruction of the Greek and Roman empires is because they practiced homosexuality?

I don't even know what to say to you heavy. You follow a book, all of your views are based on a book, nothing more.

And that's the problem; his views are based on A book. One. Singular.

Heavy - you need to read more books.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Personally though I have no friends or relatives who'd be affected by this so hence it's not an issue that I'm interested enough in to go out of my way for.

Neither do I, but I'm still voting. Because it doesn't matter if it looks to be a walk-in every vote counts.

A lot of people would have said that the Scottish independence vote would be a shoo-in, and I wonder how many people didn't bother voting because they figured their vote wouldn't make a difference, and how daft they feel now.

_Kaiser_

OK, cause it's a slow day here let me expand a little.. maybe this will make sense, maybe it won't

I've never been one for following the herd, or doing things because you just "HAVE" to. I live my life according to the values I was raised with and my sense of right and wrong.
As such I'm not very PC, nor a raving sexist/racist either, but it does give me an objectivity that seems lacking a lot of the time in the group-think Facebook "like" generation

So, on this issue as I've no strong feelings either way I likely won't vote (however that said if on the day I am passing the polling station and remembered the card I may just drop in and vote Yes) but whether it's this issue, or a general election, I will do what I think is right .. not what others think I should, or to gain peer acceptance. I wonder how many of the people posting their support here will actually make the effort on the day, especially if it's raining, they have training or whatever on?

Bottom line I have no stake in this so while I hope it passes for those affected, I don't feel strongly enough to do so "just cause"

floggg

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

OK, cause it's a slow day here let me expand a little.. maybe this will make sense, maybe it won't

I've never been one for following the herd, or doing things because you just "HAVE" to. I live my life according to the values I was raised with and my sense of right and wrong.
As such I'm not very PC, nor a raving sexist/racist either, but it does give me an objectivity that seems lacking a lot of the time in the group-think Facebook "like" generation

So, on this issue as I've no strong feelings either way I likely won't vote (however that said if on the day I am passing the polling station and remembered the card I may just drop in and vote Yes) but whether it's this issue, or a general election, I will do what I think is right .. not what others think I should, or to gain peer acceptance. I wonder how many of the people posting their support here will actually make the effort on the day, especially if it's raining, they have training or whatever on?

Bottom line I have no stake in this so while I hope it passes for those affected, I don't feel strongly enough to do so "just cause"

It's not really doing it just because. I don't think what you have described is objectivity - it seems more like disinterest or disengagement with the issue.

We can't make you vote though, and I'm sure you will do whatever you wish on the issue.

Just keep in mind those who it will effect, and the little amount of time it will actually take to vote.

fran17

jobbridge4life wrote: »

There is a huge difference between my relationship with my friends of the same sex (gay and straight) and the relationship with my partner. I mean if the difference isn't inherently apparent and obvious to you then I don't know how anyone could be expected to explain it to you.

I'm not talking about the relationship between you and your friends as you well know.I'm asking in a normal,healthy monogamous relationship apart from sex what is the difference between the straight relationship and the gay relationship?

Lyaiera

I love (I don't) that people who want justice and equality for fathers and men in divorces counted be bothered voting to achieve a little more equality for someone else.

krankykitty

What's that phrase again? The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

kylith

Lyaiera wrote: »

I love (I don't) that people who want justice and equality for fathers and men in divorces counted be bothered voting to achieve a little more equality for someone else.

Fair point actually. How would they feel about gay people saying they wouldn't vote on that issue because it didn't effect them personally.

Shrap

Lyaiera wrote: »

I love (I don't) that people who want justice and equality for fathers and men in divorces counted be bothered voting to achieve a little more equality for someone else.

Exactly. I would certainly go out and vote for equality for fathers and men in divorces, and I'm a woman currently going through a divorce. Even if such legislation wouldn't effect me directly, it may effect my sons or anyone else I know at some stage. Apathy is not an option when we get so few chances to effect change.

Billy86

Shrap wrote: »

Just had a peek at 1123heavy's posting history, as someone spotted he's only just done the Leaving Cert. Interestingly, he wants to join the Aerlingus Cadets. I wonder has he thought that through? Being a pilot would virtually guarantee him having to get along with a variety of wonderfully camp flight attendants on a daily basis.....

Perhaps there's hope for him yet.

Well that makes probably two of the three or four most ardently anti-same sex marriage advocates in this thread teenagers who just finished their leaving certs then, which explains a lot.

Of course then there's fran whose posting history for the last six months is almost exclusively gay bashing and who has been in what looks to be well over a dozen threads on this as well as some posts women bashing, and who has other posts claiming he would have sex with his own mother if she were attractive and that black and white people should have separate Olympics because of 'racial superiority'. Oh, and despite all of this he also claims to like to fantasise over gay people...

. Probably explains why he doesn't want to answer anyone's questions. :pac:

Between them they're not exactly painting the prettiest picture of the average 'no' voter.

jobbridge4life

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've never been one for following the herd, or doing things because you just "HAVE" to. I live my life according to the values I was raised with and my sense of right and wrong.
As such I'm not very PC, nor a raving sexist/racist either, but it does give me an objectivity that seems lacking a lot of the time in the group-think Facebook "like" generation

What? I mean just, what? What on earth does your being 'too kool 4 skool' and like totally above the 'facebook "like" generation' have to do with anything?

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So, on this issue as I've no strong feelings either way I likely won't vote (however that said if on the day I am passing the polling station and remembered the card I may just drop in and vote Yes) but whether it's this issue, or a general election, I will do what I think is right .. not what others think I should, or to gain peer acceptance. I wonder how many of the people posting their support here will actually make the effort on the day, especially if it's raining, they have training or whatever on?

Bottom line I have no stake in this so while I hope it passes for those affected, I don't feel strongly enough to do so "just cause"

"Just cause"? Honestly you're too lazy to bother voting, grand, come out and say it don't mix it up with all this non-sense.

floggg

fran17 wrote: »

I'm not talking about the relationship between you and your friends as you well know.I'm asking in a normal,healthy monogamous relationship apart from sex what is the difference between the straight relationship and the gay relationship?

Wearing your same sex partners clothes on a night out isn't kinky.

Also, there isn't as much difference in terms of sex as some people might like to think. Straight couples can and do engage in lots of anal and oral sex etc too.