Festus wrote: » Now you are being anti-semetic.
Festus wrote: » Read my postings. The law says that only without sin can enforce the laws in Deuteronomy and who is without sin, then or now.
Mainly because he never committed anything to paper. Everything we have of Socrates came from transcripts of his speeches written by his students Plato, Aristophanes and Xenophon.
Festus wrote: » Some, not all. Some only want to save souls, not make money. Money is only a tool required for survival
Festus wrote: » your beliefs.
Festus wrote: » The speeches from the current Pope and his predecessor are different in style which is natural as they are individuals but the message is still the same. Pope Francis is a much a hard line orthodox as Pope Emeritus Benedict.
Francis clearly emphasized poverty and poor far more. Interestingly, he also invoked the words cross, courage, and flesh far more than his predecessor did. This suggests he referred in his speeches far more often to the example and sacrifice of Jesus. Importantly, Francis also emphasized women much more than Benedict XVI.
Harika wrote: » Sure as stated nearly every religion wants to expand, like a company.
Harika wrote: » Which beliefs?
Harika wrote: » And edited my previous entry after you edited your entry, while I wrote the reply of the original post, so I didn't miss two paragraphs of yours, just in case you are wondering.
Festus wrote: » Ah, so you do have a go at the Protestants as well. Speaking of foundations. What foundations do your beliefs have?
Festus wrote: » That is only part of what I said and you have taken it out of context. Nor did you specify the age of your children and I am not omniscient.
Harika wrote: » They are doing the same, just are tweaking things differently to justify their being. Who would take a "New improved Catholic church" seriously that reads the bible the same way? So some people unhappy with their religion forked it and created their own with enough brand change to be recognized as own entity but already a broad foundation to stand on.
lazygal wrote: » What about me? You said "who is without sin, then or now." My children are without sin. How could two toddlers have any sins?
Festus wrote: » Public Relations costs money - it doesn't make any profit of itself. If you believe it is about profit tell me how this makes money? As for Catholicism - PR doesn't seem to be much use at the moment. The less people are told about sin and Hell the faster they leave. So less money. Why is that? Some parishes are telling people about Hell and sin and their flocks are increasing but there aren't many and those that do are being shut down by the bishops so less money. Why is that? What about other Christians or are you only against Catholics?
Festus wrote: » What about you?
Harika wrote: » So all advertisement ala "I am the one and only" that binds customers to the brand of Catholicism.
Festus wrote: » Acts 7:51-53
Festus wrote: » Matthew 10:39
Festus wrote: » 1 Peter 4:3-4
Festus wrote: » 2 Timothy 3:12
Festus wrote: » John 15:18-19
Harika wrote: » You know which parts I mean, else it is find able easy by google.
Harika wrote: » Oh it explains everything, every part has its own meaning and it makes sense when looking at maximizing its "profit". Throw examples and I will link it why it is beneficial to have it that way.
Festus wrote: » What contradictions?
Festus wrote: » Even if that were true that still doesn't explain why the Bible is the way it is and says what it says.
lazygal wrote: » My children have never committed a sin in their lives.
Harika wrote: » Contradictions in what is stated.
Harika wrote: » So short, religion is no conspiracy theory, but a business that maximizes it's profit.
Festus wrote: » who is without sin, then or now.
Festus wrote: » What flaws in the Bible? Do you mean spelling mistakes?
It is rather interesting to read what people believe to be conspiracies that aren't (e.g. most corporations are not actively conspiring with each other against the public, it is simply a result of corporate priorities - to maximize profits - that requires no coordination at all), and what actual conspiracies that do exist that people deny (e.g. energy companies working together to create federal policies that favor themselves and push through lobbying / political connections). Organized religions, IMHO, are pretty much the same as corporations. They exist to maximize profits, but each religion / corporation has their own marketplace and target audience. Each religion / corporation has their own PR initiatives designed to make their competitors look bad and to reinforce that their own customers made the best possible choice (e.g. think about the Microsoft / Apple PR or Xbox / PS PR or Christian / Muslim PR). None of this requires conspiracy, but just a devotion to keeping their business operating.
Harika wrote: » That is why, also seen here, discussions about bible passages let your brain spin so hard, because of the affords religious people have to go through to cover and justify the flaws of the bible.
Safehands wrote: » I think you are leaving out the most likely scenario; It was written by people who genuinely believed, wrongly, that they were inspired by God. I think they genuinely believed in God but were seriously misguided.
Safehands wrote: » Festus, are you going to tell me that a loving God encouraged men to behave like this. Can you tell me that it was justifiable to kill people in this way, because God told them to do it? I am genuinely interested to hear what you have to say about this.
Festus wrote: » So you are saying it is a conspiracy.
Harika wrote: » Made up by some hustlers to control people. So when was the bible exactly written down again? Isn't it the case the bible is a compilation of stories originating from different sources hundreds of years in difference? The process of compilation again was controlled by those hustlers by cherry picking what they thought was right. Over the decades it was heavily adapted again to fit the needs of the reigning people. That process was again made up and controlled by the same religious hustlers, Mohammed then used the same process to create islam, as he needed something to gather people behind them with the reward again only after death. So convenient.
Festus wrote: » The Bible is either true or it is not. If it is true then it was written by people who believe in God and who believed they were inspired by God. If that is not true then the people who wrote it knowing it to be false could not have believed in God. I think there were called atheists at one point.
Festus wrote: » The Bible is either true or it is not. <-snip-> Or do you have another full and detailed explanation for the Bible?
Festus wrote: » The Bible is either true or it is not. If it is true then it was written by people who believe in God and who believed they were inspired by God. If that is not true then the people who wrote it knowing it to be false could not have believed in God. I think there were called atheists at one point. The only other way to explain the Bible without God involves a conspiracy theory on an epic, dare I say biblical scale. So which is it according to you - the bible was written by atheists or you subscribe to a conspiracy theory you cannot explain adequately? Or do you have another full and detailed explanation for the Bible?
Festus wrote: » You didn't answer the question and you used the fallacy of relying on future knowledge while admitting to being agnostic. I understand some atheists would call that a fail.
Harika wrote: » Yes e.g. Satanists believe they are their own god, what now comes down to the definition what a god is, so what is a god for you? Also when you state yourself that you are a god, does that mean you are a god_ Same if I claim that I am Festus, does that mean I am Festus? We exist very likely without a god, and as you know we cannot prove that there is no god and on the other side there is no proof that there is a or several god (s), that would have godlike powers to create an universe. We have come a long way to understand that thunder and lightning are not caused by god(s) but from physics, if you think that there is something that is yet unexplained feel free to use your god as helper until we figure out how it can be explained by science.
Safehands wrote: » If ever you wanted evidence that God did not inspire the writing of the old Testament then this is it. As I said before, if God did not inspire these writings then the whole thing is just made up, as I believe it is.
RikuoAmero wrote: » I think you're in the wrong thread, dude. If I'm not mistaken, I said that in the Origin of Specious Nonsense thread. Of course what I said is just as valid here (since it relates to my points for there being a lack of a good justification for a belief in god), but let's not mix up what people said in other threads here.
