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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

Kermit.de.frog

I think it is in May.

I won't because it does not affect me. If they get it passed fair play but I doubt i'm in a minority when I say I have little interest in it.

I think this apathy might be the biggest risk to the referendum and also the appeal of giving the government a harmless (in my view) kicking.

Anyone feel the same way about it? I just could not be bothered. I think it will be like the children's referendum. Very low turnout.

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bodice ripper

masti123 wrote: »

the thoughts you think and the reasoning behind these thoughts make you gay, change your reasoning behind these thoughts, cure the gayness. Only the gay person can cure himself, as he is the one who originated his thought process, so he has to shape his reality differently, meaning change his thought process, like how an extremely shy person has to redo their thought process in order to not be shy,

Thankfully, stupid can be cured by a book.

Take two and call me in the morning.

masti123

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I can see the logic you're applying here, but how do you know that's how it actually works? How do you explain homosexuality in the animal kingdom, for example?

its a personal preference, to genetically have a preference is impossible. preferences are 100% changeable if you want to change them, making them not a preference, therefore if you didn't want to be gay its simply stating you can be straight if you want to

Flem31

shruikan2553 wrote: »

The problem is when you get stuff like this:

The whole reasoned argument thing flies out the window.

And if you let the reasoned argument fly out the window......the chances of an overall Yes is diminished

Straylight

masti123 wrote: »

its a personal preference, to genetically have a preference is impossible. preferences are 100% changeable if you want to change them, making them not a preference, therefore if you didn't want to be gay its simply stating you can be straight if you want to

That's grand, I'll be seeing my brother in law at the weekend so I can tell him that he can start fancying women any time he likes. I'm sure he'll be delighted to know that.

As for preferences being 100% changeable, well I'm straight, so does that mean I can now choose to be gay?

masti123

Straylight wrote: »

That's grand, I'll be seeing my brother in law at the weekend so I can tell him that he can start fancying women any time he likes. I'm sure he'll be delighted to know that.

As for preferences being 100% changeable, well I'm straight, so does that mean I can now choose to be gay?

Under the right circumstances, and a different understanding of words, one can be gay.

bodice ripper

masti123 wrote: »

Under the right circumstances, and a different understanding of words, one can be gay.

Are you female? Can I interest you in a leaflet?

Straylight

masti123 wrote: »

Under the right circumstances, and a different understanding of words, one can be gay.

A different understanding of words? I fully understand what the different definitions of gay are, however we all know that what's being discussed here is not whether I would be light-hearted and carefree.

Flem31

Straylight wrote: »

According to the most recent poll, 71% are in favour and 17% are against. That really doesn't leave that many undecided tbh.

Not sure I would be using a recent poll as comfort in this.
Up to now, this subject was for the majority of people an abstract idea. Yes, politicans and interest groups spoke about it, but it didn't mean an awful lot to anyone who wasn't directly impacted by it. (not trying to demean people's rights but with tax rises, job losses, mortgages etc.....most people were thinking of other issues that affected them at that particular time)

Inside 6 months we will be voting on it and now it does mean something and I expect the gap between Yes and No to narrow and the undecided block to increase.

shruikan2553

Flem31 wrote: »

And if you let the reasoned argument fly out the window......the chances of an overall Yes is diminished

I do not throw it out the window. I ask for sources and provided explanations to most of the arguments against SSM. I have yet to see anyone provide anything to suggest I am wrong and yet the same things are repeated and even worse is said. You can provide people with the information and studies but the no side depends on misinformation and they must accept the information themselves.

I dont think trying to claim a group of people as sub human is helping the no vote either.

highly1111

Yes and yes.

Flem31

Straylight wrote: »

Based on what I've seen in this thread, the views being expressed by some people firmly in the no camp were as far from rational argument as you could get. They were only labelled as bigots because, well, they were bigots. I've nothing against someone holding a contrary view as long as it's not based on bigotry and hatred of people different to themselves, for whatever reason, but tbh the no side have as much chance of persuading me to change my vote as I have of changing theirs.

If the Yes campaign are relying on No voters to change their minds.....you have big problems.
Forget the No's....go after the Don't No's\Not sure and use the rational arguments to win them over.

At this stage whoever is Yes will stay Yes, and the No's will remain No's...it's the people in the middle that will decide this

The Adversary

masti123 wrote: »

Under the right circumstances, and a different understanding of words, one can be gay.

A different understanding of words? A different understanding of words?! You couldn't make this stuff up.

endacl

endacl wrote: »

1. Because it's icky.
2. God says no.
3. Unspecified reason, yet to be articulated.

I've been away from this thread for the evening. Has anybody come up with a third option yet, or are they still circling the bowl of points 1 and 2?

Ihatecuddles

endacl wrote: »

I've been away from this thread for the evening. Has anybody come up with a third option yet, or are they still circling the bowl of points 1 and 2?

Because we don't understand words.

endacl

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yeah, we've moved on to 'it's a choice' now.

Really?

I'll stay out of it so. When I interact with that much dopey I pick up cards and bans.

masti123

Thought I'd share my opinions on this thread but there seems to be alot of narrow minded people, kind of ironic. Anyway I just wanna say that homosexuals choose their ways. There is no gay gene and it will never be found. Therefore, homosexuality can't be passed through birth. For the record I do not "hate" gay people, I love everyone, thank you and have a good night.

endacl

masti123 wrote: »

Thought I'd share my opinions on this thread but there seems to be alot of narrow minded people, kind of ironic. Anyway I just wanna say that homosexuals choose their ways. There is no gay gene and it will never be found. Therefore, homosexuality can't be passed through birth. For the record I do not "hate" gay people, I love everyone, thank you and have a good night.

Janey Mackers!!!

:eek:

shruikan2553

masti123 wrote: »

Thought I'd share my opinions on this thread but there seems to be alot of narrow minded people, kind of ironic. Anyway I just wanna say that homosexuals choose their ways. There is no gay gene and it will never be found. Therefore, homosexuality can't be passed through birth. For the record I do not "hate" gay people, I love everyone, thank you and have a good night.

You must have done or read some sort of study to come to that conclusion. You wouldnt be pulling it out of nothing right?

endacl

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You must have done or read some sort of study to come to that conclusion. You wouldnt be pulling it out of nothing right?

It's been pulled out of somewhere, all right...

shruikan2553

endacl wrote: »

It's been pulled out of somewhere, all right...

He seems to know more than someone whos a doctor in the area so it must be.

Straylight

masti123 wrote: »

Anyway I just wanna say that homosexuals choose their ways.

You are perfectly entitled to say that, nobody can stop you. You're 100% wrong, but sure why let the truth prevail over ignorance?

As for the whole gay gene thing, nobody ever said there was one, just like there's no straight gene either. That's just how people are and there doesn't have to be a reason why.

bodice ripper

masti123 wrote: »

Thought I'd share my opinions on this thread but there seems to be alot of narrow minded people, kind of ironic. Anyway I just wanna say that homosexuals choose their ways. There is no gay gene and it will never be found. Therefore, homosexuality can't be passed through birth. For the record I do not "hate" gay people, I love everyone, thank you and have a good night.

You know that "genetic" and "choice" aren't the only possibilities, right?

And for the record, it is a choice for me. Life is a buffet when you are bisexual and have no standards.

Venus In Furs

Saying homosexuality is a choice implies people who are gay don't actually fancy members of the same sex as them and really prefer those of the opposite sex, but they have relationships/sex with those of the same sex as them anyway.

endacl

bodice ripper wrote: »

You know that "genetic" and "choice" aren't the only possibilities, right?

And for the record, it is a choice for me. Life is a buffet when you are bisexual and have no standards.

Ah, that's just being greedy.

:pac:

Runs away!

Annasopra

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

It is a fiscal issue. People's ability to have a relationship is not at issue, this has nothing whatsoever to do with people having relationships. What is at issue is whether that issue should have the legal privileges of marriage. I do not wish to pay more tax for single sex relationships.

The distortion of this debate is its more notable feature, terms such as relationships and equality are bandied about which have nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Can you explain to me how you will be paying more tax?

Annasopra

Daith wrote: »

No we will both have the same marriage.

Are you marrying Fran?

bodice ripper

endacl wrote: »

Ah, that's just being greedy.

:pac:

Runs away!

Look upon my ambisexuality, and envy me.

endacl

bodice ripper wrote: »

Look upon my ambisexuality, and envy me.

Ambisexual (adj.) To be sexy while walking around. To be a sexy ambulance. Orig. unknown.

bodice ripper

Don't even pretend you aren't jealous.

endacl

bodice ripper wrote: »

Don't even pretend you aren't jealous.

Nah. That would imply choice. Or something. Am I doing this thread right?