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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

Kermit.de.frog

I think it is in May.

I won't because it does not affect me. If they get it passed fair play but I doubt i'm in a minority when I say I have little interest in it.

I think this apathy might be the biggest risk to the referendum and also the appeal of giving the government a harmless (in my view) kicking.

Anyone feel the same way about it? I just could not be bothered. I think it will be like the children's referendum. Very low turnout.

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Ihatecuddles

Shrap wrote: »

They were being incredibly offensive. The last one about bringing up a child properly so he/she wouldn't be gay? Excuse me? I was horrified, as my youngest teen is possibly gay.

And as for that other wan.....you can't keep calling people inferior and their relationships inherently unstable and get away with it for ever. I reported them both, and I don't mind telling you.

His is your teen 'possibly' gay? Sure my 4 year old is possibly gay...

shruikan2553

tayto lover wrote: »

But Larry was answering the questions posed.
His answers might not have suited many but he was giving his views.
The thread has been ruined now.
People on the "No" side will now be reluctant to view their opinions for fear of being banned.

I cant talk about how women or black people being inferior without getting banned either. Wasn't larry the one who said that it was offensive to even compare homosexual relationships to heterosexual relationships?

abff

Haven't read this thread at all, but how could anyone even consider voting no?

Shrap

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

His is your teen 'possibly' gay? Sure my 4 year old is possibly gay...

Yeah, well I've been thinking he could go either way for a long time but the hormones are kicking in for him now and it's looking more likely.

Ihatecuddles

humanji wrote: »

MOD: Just because you don't feel offend, it doesn't mean that people should be allowed to troll the forum and insult people.

Like I said, I don't speak for everyone, nor was I talking about every banned poster on the thread.

I just feel that people are automatically being labeled trolls because of their opinion. Anyway I've said it now, I won't mention it again

Billy86

tayto lover wrote: »

But Larry was answering the questions posed.
His answers might not have suited many but he was giving his views.
The thread has been ruined now.
People on the "No" side will now be reluctant to view their opinions for fear of being banned.

Larry has a history of attention seeking, looking at what the common consensus is and going off wildly in the other direction (in an often provocative manner), even if that means contradicting himself to do so if the consensus has changed. Today was just more of the same from him.

masti123

I will be voting No due to my personal beliefs. I think a poll would be interesting to see.

tayto lover

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yes it was. His posts were ridiculously offensive.

But by that logic it is also offensive to vote No even if they think they genuinely have good reason to.

tayto lover

Billy86 wrote: »

Larry has a history of attention seeking, looking at what the common consensus is and going off wildly in the other direction (in an often provocative manner), even if that means contradicting himself to do so if the consensus has changed. Today was just more of the same from him.

Didn't know that.
First time reading his views today.
I thought he was giving his genuine reasons for voting No.

Flem31

abff wrote: »

Haven't read this thread at all, but how could anyone even consider voting no?

And if they were considering it......here wouldn't be the place to let it be known......after all they are uneducated stupid immoral bad people who are bigoted.....(all phrases used in the last 12 hours or so)

If I walked down the street and shouted those phrases at someone......not sure it would be accepted.

GalwayGuitar

Aren't homosexuals notoriously promiscuous? Why do they even want marriage?

dark crystal

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

Aren't homosexuals notoriously promiscuous? Why do they even want marriage?

What, all of them? I know two homosexual couples (together 7 years and 12 years respectively) who would love to get married.

Homosexuals don't have a monopoly on promiscuity. Plenty of heterosexuals like having sex rather a lot too!

Ihatecuddles

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

Aren't homosexuals notoriously promiscuous? Why do they even want marriage?

So are swingers but they can marry...

Tin Foil Hat

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

Aren't homosexuals notoriously promiscuous?

Some are, some aren't. Just like heterosexuals.

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

Why do they even want marriage?

Some do. Some don't. Just like heterosexuals.

GalwayGuitar

Shrap wrote: »

They were being incredibly offensive. The last one about bringing up a child properly so he/she wouldn't be gay? Excuse me? I was horrified, as my youngest teen is possibly gay.

And as for that other wan.....you can't keep calling people inferior and their relationships inherently unstable and get away with it for ever. I reported them both, and I don't mind telling you.

Why do you think he's gay?

Billy86

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

Aren't homosexuals notoriously promiscuous? Why do they even want marriage?

To be honest, that's not really any different from saying black people notoriously love chicken and watermelon, e.g. it's just a negative stereotype (one that came to prominence during the AIDS epidemic, I believe).

The Adversary

I will definitely be voting yes. I believe black people should be able to vote and oppose segregation.

Woops. Wrong generation, let me get back in my time machine. Sorry!

masti123

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Sorry, but this kind of thing depresses me. What on earth do your personal beliefs have to do with whether or not two people get married?

gayness is nothing other than a "thought process" , just like "shy-ness" and schizophrenia.

The reasoning behind gay-ness can vary, as one reasoning behind gay-ness could be that your are getting turned down by the oppisite sex, you dont know why, and you find you get along better with your own sex more than the oppisite sex, so you instantly think to yourself, maybe your gay since you get along with your own sex better, another reasoning behind gay-ness is when you are a child and being taught vocabulary and such the words you choose
to use to define a word can cause gay-ness, example, when some says the word "Girl" your brain instantly comes up with all these words to use to define the word "Girl", well if your gay, you may use other words to define the
word "girl" which can cause a COMPLETELY different outlook n that term due to them using different words to define it. Now you take every word and have a slightly different definition to it and this can cause a completely
different outlook on life and how you perceive it, thus causing gay-ness.

This is a very unique perspective. People have to keep an open mind. It's difficult when you've been "programmed" to think a certain way.

GalwayGuitar

Billy86 wrote: »

To be honest, that's not really any different from saying black people notoriously love chicken and watermelon, e.g. it's just a negative stereotype (one that came to prominence during the AIDS epidemic, I believe).

How is saying blacks loving fried chicken and watermelon a negative stereotype?

Tin Foil Hat

The saddest thing about holding this referendum is that, because of laws concerning balance in political debates, all of our broadcasters are going to have to half-pretend to be bigots until next may.

kevin12345

masti123 wrote: »

gayness is nothing other than a "thought process" , just like "shy-ness" and schizophrenia.

The reasoning behind gay-ness can vary, as one reasoning behind gay-ness could be that your are getting turned down by the oppisite sex, you dont know why, and you find you get along better with your own sex more than the oppisite sex, so you instantly think to yourself, maybe your gay since you get along with your own sex better, another reasoning behind gay-ness is when you are a child and being taught vocabulary and such the words you choose
to use to define a word can cause gay-ness, example, when some says the word "Girl" your brain instantly comes up with all these words to use to define the word "Girl", well if your gay, you may use other words to define the
word "girl" which can cause a COMPLETELY different outlook n that term due to them using different words to define it. Now you take every word and have a slightly different definition to it and this can cause a completely
different outlook on life and how you perceive it, thus causing gay-ness.

This is a very unique perspective. People have to keep an open mind. It's difficult when you've been "programmed" to think a certain way.

What are you talking about? I presume you have some form of research to back up your ridiculously silly claims?

shruikan2553

masti123 wrote: »

gayness is nothing other than a "thought process" , just like "shy-ness" and schizophrenia.

The reasoning behind gay-ness can vary, as one reasoning behind gay-ness could be that your are getting turned down by the oppisite sex, you dont know why, and you find you get along better with your own sex more than the oppisite sex, so you instantly think to yourself, maybe your gay since you get along with your own sex better, another reasoning behind gay-ness is when you are a child and being taught vocabulary and such the words you choose
to use to define a word can cause gay-ness, example, when some says the word "Girl" your brain instantly comes up with all these words to use to define the word "Girl", well if your gay, you may use other words to define the
word "girl" which can cause a COMPLETELY different outlook n that term due to them using different words to define it. Now you take every word and have a slightly different definition to it and this can cause a completely
different outlook on life and how you perceive it, thus causing gay-ness.

This is a very unique perspective. People have to keep an open mind. It's difficult when you've been "programmed" to think a certain way.

Its funny how people who have something against homosexuality often had to choose to be straight.

Flem31

To pass this Referendum the Yes side needs to appeal with logical arguments to the many undecided voters as to why this is the correct thing to do.
Based on this thread, if any undecided voter shows any possible counterview.....instead of a rational argument...........the person is automatically labelled a bigot.

Careless use of language may alienate voters who with a little education\persuasion of the facts, may vote yes.
However if I was labelled a bigot, not sure if I could be bothered about someone else's rights if they are so quick to judge me.

Rough Sleeper

masti123 wrote: »

gayness is nothing other than a "thought process" , just like "shy-ness" and schizophrenia.

The reasoning behind gay-ness can vary, as one reasoning behind gay-ness could be that your are getting turned down by the oppisite sex, you dont know why, and you find you get along better with your own sex more than the oppisite sex, so you instantly think to yourself, maybe your gay since you get along with your own sex better, another reasoning behind gay-ness is when you are a child and being taught vocabulary and such the words you choose
to use to define a word can cause gay-ness, example, when some says the word "Girl" your brain instantly comes up with all these words to use to define the word "Girl", well if your gay, you may use other words to define the
word "girl" which can cause a COMPLETELY different outlook n that term due to them using different words to define it. Now you take every word and have a slightly different definition to it and this can cause a completely
different outlook on life and how you perceive it, thus causing gay-ness.

This is a very unique perspective. People have to keep an open mind. It's difficult when you've been "programmed" to think a certain way.

Pass that **** this way, man.

masti123

kevin12345 wrote: »

What are you talking about? I presume you have some form of research to back up your ridiculously silly claims?

the thoughts you think and the reasoning behind these thoughts make you gay, change your reasoning behind these thoughts, cure the gayness. Only the gay person can cure himself, as he is the one who originated his thought process, so he has to shape his reality differently, meaning change his thought process, like how an extremely shy person has to redo their thought process in order to not be shy,

shruikan2553

Flem31 wrote: »

To pass this Referendum the Yes side needs to appeal with logical arguments to the many undecided voters as to why this is the correct thing to do.
Based on this thread, if any undecided voter shows any possible counterview.....instead of a rational argument...........the person is automatically labelled a bigot.

Careless use of language may alienate voters who with a little education\persuasion of the facts, may vote yes.
However if I was labelled a bigot, not sure if I could be bothered about someone else's rights if they are so quick to judge me.

The problem is when you get stuff like this:

masti123 wrote: »

the thoughts you think and the reasoning behind these thoughts make you gay, change your reasoning behind these thoughts, cure the gayness. Only the gay person can cure himself, as he is the one who originated his thought process, so he has to shape his reality differently, meaning change his thought process, like how an extremely shy person has to redo their thought process in order to not be shy,

The whole reasoned argument thing flies out the window.

kevin12345

masti123 wrote: »

the thoughts you think and the reasoning behind these thoughts make you gay, change your reasoning behind these thoughts, cure the gayness. Only the gay person can cure himself, as he is the one who originated his thought process, so he has to shape his reality differently, meaning change his thought process, like how an extremely shy person has to redo their thought process in order to not be shy,

Conversion therapy has been proven to be nothing but extremely harmful, there is no cure to "gay-ness" and to say that all a person has to do is force themselves to change their thought process and that will make them straight is just completely mind boggling.

Pwindedd

I would dearly love to vote but unfortunately my nationality prevents this.

I would vote yes. Purely because I think marriage is great and the more people that get to share in it can only strengthen marriage rather than weaken it. Happiness is found in so few places, why would anyone want to deny people that happiness.

Flem31

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Do you also apply this standard of debate to the 'no' campaign?

Yes I do, not here though as with the numerous people on the Yes side for every No voice, it is not required. It has cropped up recently at work where the bias was the other way, and I defended the rights of the Yes side to be entitled for their rights to be respected as all others.

But whether I apply this standard is immaterial......I am not trying to change people's attitudes and get a referendum passed.
If this entire debate descends into one big slagging match......the chances of an overall Yes is diminished. After all, when the Irish are unsure of things, we opt for the status quo......no change here needed

Straylight

Flem31 wrote: »

To pass this Referendum the Yes side needs to appeal with logical arguments to the many undecided voters as to why this is the correct thing to do.

According to the most recent poll, 71% are in favour and 17% are against. That really doesn't leave that many undecided tbh.

Flem31 wrote: »

Based on this thread, if any undecided voter shows any possible counterview.....instead of a rational argument...........the person is automatically labelled a bigot.

Based on what I've seen in this thread, the views being expressed by some people firmly in the no camp were as far from rational argument as you could get. They were only labelled as bigots because, well, they were bigots. I've nothing against someone holding a contrary view as long as it's not based on bigotry and hatred of people different to themselves, for whatever reason, but tbh the no side have as much chance of persuading me to change my vote as I have of changing theirs.