Billy86 wrote: » Once again... we're all still waiting for a valid reason why a group of people should be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexuality, because I can not recall a single one in the multiple threads there have been on this issue. "It's tradition/has always been this way" is blatantly untrue, and "it's just how I feel" is indeed no more than an admission of bigotry, and there's no ifs or buts about that - replace "same sex" with "interracial" in your question above and try to answer it. And once again... what are these "requirements" for getting married you were on about earlier, and who exactly came up with them?
Larry Wildman wrote: » Do you honestly believe that society should endorse two men riding each other? Tolerating it is fine - We're a liberal society. However endorsing it and saying that it's just the same as a normal relationship is insane.
fran17 wrote: » Careful Billy,you might give me the attention I crave.
dark crystal wrote: » It's exactly the same as a normal relationship. They make love, they support each other, they laugh together, they cry together, they fight, they make up, they are there in sickness and in health, they are each other's best friend. Their gender is irrelevant. Marriage is not simply about what goes on in the bedroom, not that anyone's bedroom habits should concern or affect you in any way. If the idea of two guys riding doesn't appeal to you, don't do it. I can't see how to people committing to each other legally affects your life in any way whatsoever.
Larry Wildman wrote: » What bothers me is the assertion that a homosexual relationship is equal to a heterosexual one. It is founded on unnatural and deviant acts. It is grossly inferior and a million miles from normal, despite the incessant media campaigning by homosexuals.
Ihatecuddles wrote: » I was against gay marriage once, it was a thread like this that made me change my mind. I had gay friends, they were in happy relationships, I was happy for them, but without ever giving it much thought I decided that marriage shouldn't be for them. Marriage should be between a man and a woman, and homosexual couples can have civil partnerships and be happy with that, and why not be? I'm ashamed that I once thought like that. It was pure bigotry and ignorance. I'll be voting in favour of gay marriage, and I apologise to anyone who I ever believed to be inferior or unequal, because that's how I viewed them by believing they didn't deserve the rights afforded to straight people. Plus, it has sweet f*ck all to do with me if Adam wants to marry Steve
Shrap wrote: » ^^ Excellent, thanks mod, but OT....um, did you lose a bet?! Or perhaps you really like one direction - sorry....
lazygal wrote: » Did you ever change your mind on cuddles?
deadybai wrote: » Yes. I will vote no. I don't agree with it.
fran17 wrote: » So if this referendum fails what you perceive to be the correct outcome and the majority of Ireland vote no,Are elderly people,religious people and the young all bigoted "homophobes"?
BarryD wrote: » 1) Divorce was not legally recognised by the State until recently - however differing Churches viewed it differently. I think I'm correct in saying that most of the Anglican churches here recognised divorce from other states and were happy to remarry divorced people, give them communion etc. 2) Just wrong. Catholics were most certainly allowed to marry Protestants and vice versa - go look up the Ne Temere decree and inform yourself. as for the rest of your points, they have little to do with marriage as a civil and legal contract - just aspects of society. You shouldn't keep conflating marriage and religion anyway - they are separate even if related in peoples minds. In our case, we married 22 years ago in a registry office in Wicklow - nothing to do with church at all. We had been living together happily for several years and only decided to get married when we thought to start a family. Why? To put our relationship and that of our children on a firmer legal footing with associated duties and responsibilities for all. This is why the idea of marriage primarily exists in the first place. I haven't made up my mind fully yet, I'll listen to the debate with interest but instinctively I'd be inclined to vote No. In particular I'll be keen to learn more about the benefits and drawbacks of civil partnerships etc. If they are identical to marriage which I think they broadly are, then it's hard to see a reason for change other than for the sake of it.
Eramen wrote: » PP, always so needlessly critical of society and others in nearly every single post. And an ardent supporter of the 'equality' god!
But where is the self-criticism? This is what's most important; awareness of oneself is key, otherwise it's easy to get dragged away by false sentiments which seem intellectually sound from the outside, but really aren't.“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” - Marcus Aurelius
deadybai wrote: » Just think marriage should be between a man and a women. I don't mind gay people doing their own way but to be legally married I don't agree with
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » Could anyone using the 'not natural' argument explain to me why we see homosexuality in the animal kingdom?
1123heavy wrote: » I thought this argument was long dead. What part of NO don't you people understand ? You will not be able to force your nonsense upon those unwilling to accept it, be it through bullying or otherwise (unfortunately the yes people see it as their "right" to shoot anyone with a different opinion to them out of the air under the thinly veiled cover of "supporting equality")
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » I thought this argument was long dead. What part of YES don't you people understand? You will not be able to force your nonsense upon those unwilling to accept it, be it through bullying or otherwise (unfortunately the no people see it as their "right" to shoot anyone with a different opinion to them out of the air under the thinly veiled cover of "preserving marriage")
1123heavy wrote: » and the prize for the stupidest post ever seen on these hollowed forums goes to our friend from Donegal, congratulations Doc. I may just give up talking to you peoplee, we will let the voting speak for itself. Right now I will get more across while speaking to a wall, you people are so hellbent on changing nature you are being blinded by your own happy fantasies. I certainly hope I'm not around on the day it becomes acceptable in Ireland for same sex people to be engaging in all sorts of sexual behaviour in the middle of shopping centres, restaurants etc. (and before you say it is already happening, no it is NOT)
