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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

Kermit.de.frog

I think it is in May.

I won't because it does not affect me. If they get it passed fair play but I doubt i'm in a minority when I say I have little interest in it.

I think this apathy might be the biggest risk to the referendum and also the appeal of giving the government a harmless (in my view) kicking.

Anyone feel the same way about it? I just could not be bothered. I think it will be like the children's referendum. Very low turnout.

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eviltwin

eyescreamcone wrote: »

I think a NO vote makes you a bad person!!!

I don't think name calling is going to help tbh. I know people who will be voting NO. They are not bad people, mostly just uneducated and listening to the wrong groups. I hope to convince them to vote Yes by showing them that gay marriage is nothing to be afraid of.

shruikan2553

1. Its unnatural: You are on the internet. The unnatural ship has sailed long ago.

2. Children: A lot of misinformation here. Currently anyone single person can go through the adoption process. It doesnt matter if you are straight, gay or fond of cars. Legislation will be brought through to allow same sex couples adopt as a couple, this is completely separate from the SSM vote. If you vote no they can still adopt and raise children. If you want whats best for children then you should be voting yes as a married couple are less likely to split up. You can then read lots of studies on how nobody has proved that a same sex couple are worse parents than any other. You also need to consider that some people just dont want children.

3. Redefining marriage: Which definition? The most common form of marriage in Ireland has already been changed.

4. A book says its bad: You listen to your book and anyone who doesnt want to doesnt.

5. They said mean things: Because the no side has been really nice? None of my parents were gay and yet the no side likes to tell me that there was something wrong with my life. Somehow I managed to turn out ok but Im sure sending my mother to a group of nuns to take care of us would have been so much better.

6. But they can marry someone of an opposite gender: Black people would marry black people and sit in the back on the bus, it still wasnt seen as equality.

eyescreamcone

eviltwin wrote: »

FWIW I don't think a no vote makes you a bad person but I do struggle to understand the process that would lead you to vote that way. I can't accept the argument that its bad for society as we have already seen legal SSM in action elsewhere and nothing bad has come of it. We've had civil partnerships for a few years now and nothing bad has come of it. Gay people are now able to live openly in society and be in relationships and nothing bad has come of it. I keep hearing things about how bad it is to give gay people rights and yet each tiny concession we give them does absolutely nothing!! If you can give a genuine reason why its a problem for you I'd be happy to listen without judgement. I think you should be free to vote how you want without being judged for it.

I think a NO vote makes you a bad person!!!

Daith

Flem31 wrote: »

Not getting upset at all.....just find it strange that labelling others in the negative is seen as a only way to win the debate.

No, most people here are posting arguments when topics come up like adoption or marrying in a church.

These are generally ignored though.

If someone says they'll vote no and don't need a reason that's fine, perfectly entitled to but they just need to be aware it doesn't make them immune from being labelled.

eviltwin

Flem31 wrote: »

Not getting upset at all.....just find it strange that labelling others in the negative is seen as a only way to win the debate.

Was it not the negative labelling of SSC in the past that delayed the progression of attitudes to a point where this referendum has a great chance of passing.

Attitudes have changed....but the labelling of people in the negative continues....sad really

FWIW I don't think a no vote makes you a bad person but I do struggle to understand the process that would lead you to vote that way. I can't accept the argument that its bad for society as we have already seen legal SSM in action elsewhere and nothing bad has come of it. We've had civil partnerships for a few years now and nothing bad has come of it. Gay people are now able to live openly in society and be in relationships and nothing bad has come of it. I keep hearing things about how bad it is to give gay people rights and yet each tiny concession we give them does absolutely nothing!! If you can give a genuine reason why its a problem for you I'd be happy to listen without judgement. I think you should be free to vote how you want without being judged for it.

nozzferrahhtoo

1123heavy wrote: »

Ireland is being destroyed before my very eyes.

And you feel a predilection towards hyperbole is the necessary first step to rebuild it the way you would like, and the indispensable first move to make in discourse on the topic?

Falthyron

1123heavy wrote: »

Ireland is being destroyed before my very eyes.

You should leave so. I hear Saudi Arabia share your views, as does North Korea and some African nations. Would you not prefer to be in a society that shares your thoughts?

MonkeyTennis

Sorry? Can you explain how your taxes support same sex marriages?

Flem31

Daith wrote: »

If you want to make a choice make a choice but don't get upset if someone forms an opinion of you based on your choice.

Not getting upset at all.....just find it strange that labelling others in the negative is seen as a only way to win the debate.

Was it not the negative labelling of SSC in the past that delayed the progression of attitudes to a point where this referendum has a great chance of passing.

Attitudes have changed....but the labelling of people in the negative continues....sad really

eviltwin

1123heavy wrote: »

Ireland is being destroyed before my very eyes.

Ah ffs, SSM is legal now in many countries and so far nothing terrible has happened. What is the worst that can happen to the country with SSM?

Going Strong

floggg wrote: »

Who wouldn't want to marry God though?

Me. The fecker can't decide whether he's Father, Son or Holy Ghost. Imagine asking him what he wants for his tea?

eyescreamcone

1123heavy wrote: »

Ireland is being destroyed before my very eyes.

Next there will be gay fellas winning All-Ireland Hurling medals.

Oh wait!

Sheldons Brain

I'm happy to pay for my water, I am not happy to pay extra taxes to support same sex relationships, while having no wish to prevent people having such relationships if they wish.

1123heavy

Ireland is being destroyed before my very eyes.

Demosthenese

Shrap wrote: »

Now that you can see you've been misinformed, hopefully you'll be voting yes for the right of SSC to get married like I did? As I don't believe in a god, I didn't get married under the eyes of any supernatural power, as far as I'm concerned. You can also get married this way even if you do believe in a god. We will be voting for/against the right of gay people to also get married this way if they want to.

The reasoning for voting yes has been well thought out, and there is no real reason not to (at least not one that doesn't depend on people being misinformed or being of the view that homosexuality is "unnatural").

I haven't been misinformed at all ... just haven't really looked into it. Nobody has informed me one way or the other i have said i would vote in the yes side, but like you and the non-believing in super natural powers - it still amuses me to stand on an alter, with a man of the cloth getting married in the traditional sense - i mean have you ever read through what the priest says?

... so you do not believe and i do not believe but here we both are married ... is that ironic? I dunno.

Civil ceremony ... Church ceremony ... its all the same this country needs to move on in line with the times.

nozzferrahhtoo

floggg wrote: »

Who wouldn't want to marry God though?

I think I would prefer to marry someone who does not expect me to do ALL the gardening.

eyescreamcone

Flem31 wrote: »

Another label.....now immoral

You read me correctly!

Daith

Flem31 wrote: »

Another label.....now immoral

If you want to make a choice make a choice but don't get upset if someone forms an opinion of you based on your choice.

kylith

Flem31 wrote: »

I used the water charges as an example at how labelling people in the negative doesn't achieve anything.

Similarly, labelling someone as bad because they don't agree with your point of view is not a good idea either.

Personally I am neutral on the Yes\No as I haven't thought about it.....however labelling me as a bad person if I vote No isn't going to make me vote Yes.

Do you think that denying someone rights because of what they do with their genitals is something that a good person would do?

This situation is not equitable with the water meters because water meters are not a matter of denying people human rights and are not a moral issue whereas this is.

[Deleted User]

Yes of course I am voting rights for all not just for some

Flem31

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Vote NO if you like.
In my opinion this is morally the wrong thing to do.

Feel free to vote NO - you'll lose anyway!

Another label.....now immoral

floggg

Flem31 wrote: »

I used the water charges as an example at how labelling people in the negative doesn't achieve anything.

Similarly, labelling someone as bad because they don't agree with your point of view is not a good idea either.

Personally I am neutral on the Yes\No as I haven't thought about it.....however labelling me as a bad person if I vote No isn't going to make me vote Yes.

A no vote is a vote in favour of continued discrimination.

It won't necessarily make you a bad person, as a persons character shouldn't be judged on one act alone, but on the entirety of their actions.

It would, to my mind, be a bad thing to do unless you had a good reason to do so.

You are unlikely to find one though.

eyescreamcone

Flem31 wrote: »

I used the water charges as an example at how labelling people in the negative doesn't achieve anything.

Similarly, labelling someone as bad because they don't agree with your point of view is not a good idea either.

Personally I am neutral on the Yes\No as I haven't thought about it.....however labelling me as a bad person if I vote No isn't going to make me vote Yes.

Vote NO if you like.
In my opinion this is morally the wrong thing to do.

Feel free to vote NO - you'll lose anyway!

Shrap

Demosthenese wrote: »

Don't mind same sex couples having the same tax breaks and rights as everyone else in the country ... but ... i wonder why they would want to be married under the eyes of GOD - the bible doesn't condone same sex in any regard ... i agree they should be able to make a declaration of their love etc ... but marriage. Probably not. That said if they are like alot of us and are more traditional and do not really delve too much into the whole religion thing and get married cos its the norm/way we were brought up ... i've no problem with it. The vote would be yes, but the reasoning needs a little more thought in my mind.

Now that you can see you've been misinformed, hopefully you'll be voting yes for the right of SSC to get married like I did? As I don't believe in a god, I didn't get married under the eyes of any supernatural power, as far as I'm concerned. You can also get married this way even if you do believe in a god. We will be voting for/against the right of gay people to also get married this way if they want to.

The reasoning for voting yes has been well thought out, and there is no real reason not to (at least not one that doesn't depend on people being misinformed or being of the view that homosexuality is "unnatural").

Daith

ebbsy wrote: »

Nothing wrong with voting no to either.

Personally I think there is.

keithclancy

I'll vote for gay marriage.

However I think that straight couples cannot go for Civil Partnership an absolute joke.

Many people want to have a formalized agreement for living together (e.g. buying a house together), but do not want to get Married.

Myself and my other half had this setup for a number of years before we got married.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samenlevingscontract

rochey84

secman wrote: »

I too was a dinosaur...... when my daughter came out.... well human nature in me won and i very quickly wised up and realised how backward and futile my feelings on the subject were. Live and let live.... have a beautiful happy grandson now..... pure tonic he is.. he deserves both mammies to have equal rights .
If this leopard can change his spots believe me anyone can....... just saying......

Obviously voting YES

.

I want to thank this post a million times, well done sir wish more people had your experience and as a follow on wisdom!

Flem31

kylith wrote: »

If you vote to deny people equal rights because of their sexuality then yes; in my opinion you are a bad person in that respect.

Why you're bringing up the water charges I have no idea. Is someone trying to get a licence to marry their meter?

I used the water charges as an example at how labelling people in the negative doesn't achieve anything.

Similarly, labelling someone as bad because they don't agree with your point of view is not a good idea either.

Personally I am neutral on the Yes\No as I haven't thought about it.....however labelling me as a bad person if I vote No isn't going to make me vote Yes.

floggg

c_man wrote: »

Fair enough.It will be interesting to see what arguments the Referendum Commission come with against the proposal (as they're legally bound to do so)

I don't think this is as big as abortion, euthanasia etc. all of which don't affect me personally at the mo but I really think we need to sort out. But hell, the date is almost set for this one so lets have at it.

I did actually. Absolute bollox imo.

There have been a number of court cases in the US and other jurisdictions recently where the arguments were considered in depth. In most cases they were dismissed as utterly baseless (I think there was one judge on Louisiana that ruled in favour of the anti-side, but that was the only one in about 20 or more US cases).

In at least one case, the judge openly ridiculed the anti-equality arguments as being absurd and baseless.

kollegeknight

I will be voting yes. Doesn't affect me directly. I don't think I know many of any gays but they shouldn't be treated any differently.