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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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mf240

Was at a glanbia public meeting in kilkenny a while ago
And they had slides to show all about the new baby formula plant there building and talked about how they were selling a lot of high protien powder ect to recovering cancer patients and other high end products.

But when it came to the slide in relation to what they were paying farmers they only wanted to talk butter and skim.

mf240

Been finishing all the cattle from the dairy herd for beef every year and have been told by teagasc and others that they are not making any money. Yet next year it will be grand to have 40 or 50 factory cattle to sell when milk is on the floor.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

A budget is just that gg,things go wrong and **** happens that ain't planned.yourvestablished and expanding with stock on hand same as me why should u sell.if milk is sub 25 for most of next year u me and most of us will have milked for nothing next year and barely break even and drastic measures may be called for that a budget will not predict .its ok to budget but only 3 months out

Your dead right. But if we all went out and sold the extra stock we have on hand to increase on this yrs number we would loose money on them with a glut. We'll loose money either road. Its a last resort for me any way.
Expansion plans should be done over 2-3yrs at a low price.
We use what ouf av 09 price was.

kowtow

mf240 wrote: »

But when it came to the slide in relation to what they were paying farmers they only wanted to talk butter and skim.

I'm sure most of those involved have the best intentions; but the conflict of interest between monopoly first purchaser & upstream processor seems insoluble to me.

mahoney_j

mf240 wrote: »

Been finishing all the cattle from the dairy herd for beef every year and have been told by teagasc and others that they are not making any money. Yet next year it will be grand to have 40 or 50 factory cattle to sell when milk is on the floor.

Me too ,they'll rspecially fr bullocks barely break even but leave a ball of cash to pay some bills.

kowtow

mahoney_j wrote: »

Me too ,they'll rspecially fr bullocks barely break even but leave a ball of cash to pay some bills.

"Naturally milk raised Irish dairy bullocks", please.

Or "super levies" for short.

Dawggone

mf240 wrote: »

Been finishing all the cattle from the dairy herd for beef every year and have been told by teagasc and others that they are not making any money. Yet next year it will be grand to have 40 or 50 factory cattle to sell when milk is on the floor.

Two income streams...madness!!!
All land under cows, contract rear heifers, blah..blah..

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Your dead right. But if we all went out and sold the extra stock we have on hand to increase on this yrs number we would loose money on them with a glut. We'll loose money either road. Its a last resort for me any way.
Expansion plans should be done over 2-3yrs at a low price.
We use what ouf av 09 price was.

Selling is a lasts resort for me too next year but if someone is willing to offer funny money for a few of my cows I'll listen,sold 3 lowish ebi second calvers today for 1700 to a guy I sold stock to 2 years ago .calving early March to Ai fr Bulls .sheds as full as they've ever been this year and selling these 3 has lightened things slightly as well as lining my pocket

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Selling is a lasts resort for me too next year but if someone is willing to offer funny money for a few of my cows I'll listen,sold 3 lowish ebi second calvers today for 1700 to a guy I sold stock to 2 years ago .calving early March to Ai fr Bulls .sheds as full as they've ever been this year and selling these 3 has lightened things slightly as well as lining my pocket

If I got 1700e I'd take it too. Lads know stock esp heifers will be cheap in spring so there waiting

mahoney_j

kowtow wrote: »

"Naturally milk raised Irish dairy bullocks", please.

Or "super levies" for short.

No major levy issues here thankfully,stock I'm talking about are this years fr bull calves .most of them will be hitting theroad this spring as milking herd expands .will keep a handful of fr Bulls for breeding as well as my Hereford and Bb calves to year and a half as I've a few bits of land away frommoarlour

Dawggone

mahoney_j wrote: »

Selling is a lasts resort for me too next year but if someone is willing to offer funny money for a few of my cows I'll listen,sold 3 lowish ebi second calvers today for 1700 to a guy I sold stock to 2 years ago .calving early March to Ai fr Bulls .sheds as full as they've ever been this year and selling these 3 has lightened things slightly as well as lining my pocket

Cow price is tanking.
I've been offered first pick on 110cow herd with 10800kg average. Guess how much for pick of fresh calvers?

mahoney_j

Dawggone wrote: »

Cow price is tanking.
I've been offered first pick on 110cow herd with 10800kg average. Guess how much for pick of fresh calvers?

1500????

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

If I got 1700e I'd take it too. Lads know stock esp heifers will be cheap in spring so there waiting

Good well breed heifers and cows will not be cheap,there's always a demand for good stock with good records and health status

Dawggone

mahoney_j wrote: »

1500????

€1250. Can only buy a few as don't have space in milk tank.

Two agents telling me that fresh calved cows (hols) will be sub €1000 in feb mar.

Dawggone

Mid month milk:
Bf. 4.35
P 3.4
Scc. 173
Tbc. 5
Urea 32(0)

42.4 cpl plus vat.

slippy wicket

Totally agree with milk profit, slow and steady, managing costs and maximising milk solids has to be a better plan than going all out borrowing and having more cows and producing more milk but being financially worse off at the end
Doesnt make sense to me.

solwhit12

Dairygold have dropped it 2c to 30cpl

red bull

No change in Arrabawn I hear

mahoney_j

Arrabawn base 32.036
My price 41.086
4.86 fat
4.13 p
Average top 10% 44.46 5.54 fat 4.43 p

Seemingly holding base price till February's cheque is cashed and bullish for next year even in a bad price year.natural gas currently been piped in as well as new boilers and extea processing capacity and also a better ability to produce a more diverse product mix than lumping everything into smp.hopefully after years of looking up at all the other coops we can finally start climbing the ladder and look down at everyone else's price for a change

milkprofit

bf .21
pr 3.38
price 44.28 liquid and baileys

frazzledhome

Bf 5.18
P 3.96
WM bonus 8.56
Net 49.85

Greengrass1

Eating humble pie looking at everyone's MP.
Pr 3.56
Fat 4.69
45.56cpl
Lost a /c with a high tbc

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Eating humble pie looking at everyone's MP.
Pr 3.56
Fat 4.69
45.56cpl
Lost a /c with a high tbc

TUT TUT:) what caused that?

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

TUT TUT:) what caused that?

Tank I reckon. Only one spike milk manager said he sorted it but obv didnt

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Tank I reckon. Only one spike milk manager said he sorted it but obv didnt

IF tbc stays down this month you might get the 1 cent back

Dawggone

whelan2 wrote: »

IF tbc stays down this month you might get the 1 cent back

That's one thing you won't get here - leniency.

Everything is straight down the line.

jaymla627

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Tank I reckon. Only one spike milk manager said he sorted it but obv didnt

Got docked here aswell with milk that was on a 4 day, collection at 84000, the next test was 12,000 and never done a thing different because both tests results came through together....thought 50,000 was the limit bit of a piss take with tbc testing 4 day old milk too even eu regulations have 3 days as the máx milk is ment to stay in a farmers tank

frazzledhome

What's Tbc limit and fine

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

What's Tbc limit and fine

50000
That I don't know

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

50000
That I don't know

is it not 30,000?