dashcamdanny wrote: » Are you aware that that area is currently 60kph?
K.Flyer wrote: » Have to disagree, I suspect the main problem would be that the car driver was a dopey c#nt who doesn't give a toss about other road users. They either didn't look or didn't care. The cyclist was well on the roundabout and had to be well within view. If the driver couldn't see someone at that distance they should off the road.
Spook_ie wrote: » Really, do you do much early morning driving into the sun, when it's so low that even the sun visor is too high. lasses being below the shadow cast by the sun visor
Spook_ie wrote: » Note I'm not saying she wasn't to blame but just showing that it is a good idea NOT to assume a driver can see you just because you can see them, especially in morning or evening sun
rizzodun wrote: » That is a light the cyclist has, not a reflector, and while I think he should have hi-vis just to make sure he's seen the light can be seen well in advance that the camera driver could have moved out a little earlier to avoid him, it's known that not commanding a traffic lane can cause people to squeeze by increasing the chance of getting clipped, I have had this happen to me first hand. So here's the thing, he probably be more visible, but can be seen early enough in this vid. He probably could do with being a bit more left of centre, but certainly not in a position to be pinned to the curb. That road (if as busy as I think), should have an alternative route for bikes, but this is Ireland after all. The driver deliberately buzzing a person on a bike knowing that should they collide the cyclist will come off worse is every bit of a wanker as the person they are alluding the cyclist is. I think maybe all car drivers should have to commute daily for one week by bike before getting their license, might give them a better understanding of pulling crap like this. Since I got back road cycling it's opened my eyes to the type of people on the roads who detest cyclists, as if the idiots showing themselves up to other motorists isn't enough in some of these videos. To end, cyclists don't cover themselves in glory either, but every prick cyclist who thinks the rules of the road don't apply to them are hated by proper cyclists just as much as they are by motorists, it puts the rest of us in danger when the red mist drops.
listermint wrote: » This isnt a 'them versus us' arguement which im going to fundamentally assume to you it is. Let me put this in perspective for you. I Drive a car, I Drive a motorbike I also own and cycle a road bike and also a commuter bike. Now while it may not seem obvious to you and the barrage of thanks crew under your post I have more road experience than you due to my varying modes of optional transport . (get this i even have a leap card :eek: ) If you think it is okay to cycle down "THE BUSIEST dual carriageway" on this island of ours with a Black Bike with Black Clothes Black Hood and what appears to be no sign of a helmet. With What looks to be a reflector but perhaps may be a single fixed light on the rear in the depths of an Irish Winter well then you also need your head examined. Stop deflecting this off as a driver 'buzzin' someone. I dont think anyone buzzed anyway. That does not take away from the ultimate stupidity that this 'cyclist' put themselves in. (please again refer to my transport modes above) Any cyclist worth their salt would not put themselves in that position with zero visibility of themselves on the road. I personally want to make it home every evening. But sure it appears you and your thanks brigade would be rather right than dead. "sure it was the cars fault" There isnt enough rolls eyes in the world. Oh i also have a Canoe , take it to the river and cry me one.
Alias G wrote: » What zero visibility are you on about. The poster has freely admitted that they saw the cyclist from well down the road(due to their light presumably) and that the lighting in the footage isn't an accurate portrayal of actual visibility which was far better at the scene. The speed limit there is 60kph and there are two other lanes for overtaking quite easily.
listermint wrote: » This is not a normal road, Anyone cycling on it should make themselves as visible as possible or risk death. Dont try to sugar coat it. That stretch is extremely dangerous. But sure no, the lad in the body bag was 'right'
Alias G wrote: » Of coarse it is a normal road what are you on about. One with a speed limit appropriate to the conditions. I have acknowledged that the cyclists clothing was not optimum but you would need to be blind not to see his light. The reality is that the majority of cycling fatalities are caused by large left turning vehicles where reflective clothing is of no benefit anyway. Not seeing a cyclists rear light in front of you is down to poor driver observation and nothing else.
Spook_ie wrote: » Really, do you do much early morning driving into the sun, when it's so low that even the sun visor is too high..
listermint wrote: » Super you backed this up with stats. Congratulations for winning the bodybag because you made the effort on a single rear light. Beg belief people can be so stupid as to be in the right rather than be seen.
Alias G wrote: » The majority of cyclist fatalities also happen during daylight (presumably due to volume) .are you actually gonna argue that interactions at junctions ,notably left turning vehicles isn't the single biggest risk to cyclists. What good is reflective clothing when you are on the inside rear and the drivers headlights aren't on you. Why are you conveniently ignoring where I have repeated that the poster saw the cyclist from far enough back the road to observe his actions well in advance of passing. What does that say about the effectiveness of the rear light. And leave the body bag and calling people stupid talk out. Makes you sound smug and condescending. I'm not arguing use of a single light is an ideal. But it constitutes a minimum level of saftey because lights are the primary source if visibility in darkness.
listermint wrote: » I won't engage with anyone who disputes what this cyclist was doing was fool hardy. If he was my son I'd clip him on the back if the head. And no it does not constitute a minimal level of safety far from minimal. You should never work in the emergency services if this constitutes as being a minimal level of safety to you. Again I think you are making this as a them verus us which frankly I laugh at. And yes il be condescending to anybody who promotes this as acceptable road behaviour it's negligence.
Spook_ie wrote: » Really, do you do much early morning driving into the sun, when it's so low that even the sun visor is too high. Note the arms of the glasses being below the shadow cast by the sun visor Note I'm not saying she wasn't to blame but just showing that it is a good idea NOT to assume a driver can see you just because you can see them, especially in morning or evening sun
corktina wrote: » what is the point of posting videos we can all find on youtube if we so desire.? Let's have less of that and more original material.
bear1 wrote: » Probably because, and it is proven nearly on every page, that whoever posts up their own video gets slated or a show down begins were people look for anything that is wrong in the OPs driving which then causes a shouting match. At least in the Russian ones which lets face it are much more exciting don't generally cause any upset within the thread.
MarkAnthony wrote: » TBH I was just trying to get the stupid argument stopped.
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