eyescreamcone wrote: » But isn't the strike about money really. It's about teachers losing money by not correcting junior cert papers + the extra (unpaid) work in correcting summer 3rd year exams. No sympathy here. Maybe if ye went on strike to abolish the employment contract inequalities present in the religious schools ye might garner more public sympathy.
rainbowtrout wrote: » Actually it isn't. Proportionally very few teachers correct for the SEC in the summer. I'm the only one that does it in my school. I can't speak for all teachers but loss of earnings around junior cert correction has never come up in conversation in my staffroom over the last few weeks since the strike was announced
acequion wrote: » Don't feed them rainbowtrout! I've reported that post.
eyescreamcone wrote: » It's all about the money. Nobody is buying the charade that teachers are striking to retain standards in education. If you really don't want to correct your own student's exams (like you do in four of six years at the moment) why didn't you suggest that you'd swap scripts with another school in your area. It's ALL about money. It's always about money. Feel free to report me to the principal
chippers wrote: » Fair play to all the teachers out on strike today. External assessment and the anonymity of each and every student regardless of who they are or where they are from is an excellent aspect of our education system. I hope you win the battle!
spurious wrote: » Thin line between this and trolling, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt, for now. You seem quite ill-informed about the system (see your 'religious schools' post). Are you a teacher?
eyescreamcone wrote: » Do you have to be a teacher to post here? My point was that teachers are quite happy to accept that their job is the only job in the country that doesn't have to comply with equality in the workplace rules. Not an issue worth striking about? However, the issue that they chose to go on strike about smells totally of a money issue to me, and not as worthy of going on strike as the above issue.
eyescreamcone wrote: » You still don't seem to be getting my point. Schools are allowed to discriminate based on religion, sexual orientation or marital status. No where else is this allowed. But the teachers tolerate and accept this "criminal" behaviour. Surely this is more worthy of a fight than the "supposed cause" of today's strike!!!
Chancer3001 wrote: » Are teachers ok with correcting a different schools papers? School a swaps with school b? That can be anonymous
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » Pure bull. Except for Religion- Protestant schools can give preference to their own . Catholic schools dont care anymore unless you are teaching Religion. They wont ask. As for Orientation-how exactly would that arise in an interview??
rainbowtrout wrote: » No, I'm not. There still isn't a national standard being set or checks being done by external examiners. Here's a basic science question: Iodine turns blue black in the presence of starch. A student is asked on their JC Science paper for the colour change for this scenario. Student A writes blue Student B writes black Student C writes blue black Student D writes purple Which answer is correct? Are all going to be considered correct? It might seem like a simple question with a simple answer, but the bottom line is that without a marking scheme some teachers would only accept blue black and would probably be considered harsh markers. Some would accept all four answers above and be considered easy markers. Even with a marking scheme which only says blue black there will be some teachers who will accept all four answers above. Whichever teacher marks your paper could have a real effect on your overall grade. That's why we have marking conferences with agreed marking schemes for JC and LC exams currently. It's also why there could be a vast discrepancy between the way teachers around the country mark the same paper and assess their own classes, leaving out their personal relationship with the student and having taught them for three years etc. That example is a very simple one, but consider that effect on the way all questions are marked on a paper and there could be a very real difference in the grades students receive in two different schools giving similar answers. The Department of Education is proposing that there be no external assessment or monitoring for the 40% continuous assessment. So a student could achieve a C in one school in their project and an A in another depending on who is marking it. I don't see how that is fair. That's not even taking into account the anonymity aspect of it.
rainbowtrout wrote: » The Department of Education is proposing that there be no external assessment or monitoring for the 40% continuous assessment. So a student could achieve a C in one school in their project and an A in another depending on who is marking it. I don't see how that is fair. That's not even taking into account the anonymity aspect of it.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » The swapping idea is a non runner, because ,is that not what happens now-de facto with SEC.? But they are paid?
km79 wrote: » who will be responsible for transport of papers from school A to school B? what happens if a paper goes missing during transportation? who pays for cost of transportation if schools are miles apart for example in Donegal ? It really really gets on my nerves when people come in with this statements about how they would do things so easily without ANY thought whatsoever put into it. Everyone knows better than the people who actually do the job !!!! I've said it before I'll say it again .......do people go onto other professions forums telling them how badly they do their job and what a simple job it is really......or is it just this one ?
implausible wrote: » The Dept's proposal was external moderation of 10-15% of school-based assessment, wasn't it?
