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Lad Culture

Robsweezie

what do you make of the whole 'lad culture' phenomenon? is this a thing that goes on in boards as well as real life? is laddishness a harmless thing or does it delve too much into sexism and misogyny? it originates from England but has this become an aspect of irish culture as well??

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Potatoeman

I thought its more yob culture when its criminal.

Carlos Orange

Potatoeman wrote: »

I thought its more yob culture when its criminal.

Can't believe I never noticed yob was boy backwards. I wonder what else I have missed.

ancapailldorcha

I don't understand this culture postface nonsense. A small number of people will not respect other peoples' rights but for some reason we're obsessed with tacking a "culture" onto everything; gang culture, rape culture and in this case, lad culture.

Carlos Orange

It is because culture is an incredibly important part of how society works. It is also a great way to blame people for stuff that isn't anything to do with them.

tritium

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't understand this culture postface nonsense. A small number of people will not respect other peoples' rights but for some reason we're obsessed with tacking a "culture" onto everything; gang culture, rape culture and in this case, lad culture.

Culture in these cases seems to be used as a broad brush to demonise a section of society regardless of any guilt they may bear. Its a great way of making a problem out to be bigger than it is and generating better headlines and more grant funding while sticking the knife into groups you dislike or disagree with.

Iwasfrozen

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned the term "lad culture" is just another way for modern society to demonize young men for behaving like young men. Groups of young women behave exactly the same way and don't get slammed for it.

I for one am utterly fed up of hearing about it.

"Lad culture" is fine as long as it doesn't stray into sexist, racist or homophobic slurs. Which it often does.

whisky_galore

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

"Lad culture" is fine as long as it doesn't stray into sexist, racist or homophobic slurs. Which it often does.

I'd stay away from South Park or Family Guy if I were you.

tritium

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

"Lad culture" is fine as long as it doesn't stray into sexist, racist or homophobic slurs. Which it often does.

I'm not sure why you equate the two tbh. I do wonder if for example homophobic comments are deminstratably more common from this group than other groups regardless of gender. Having seen the attitude to non nationals by some folk in this country I'd suggest, albeit anecdotally that young men are the least of your problems there (pensioners, especially female pensioners would be my sweeping generalisation to corral into 'reeducation' classes)

Iwasfrozen

tritium wrote: »

I'm not sure why you equate the two tbh. I do wonder if for example homophobic comments are deminstratably more common from this group than other groups regardless of gender. Having seen the attitude to non nationals by some folk in this country I'd suggest, albeit anecdotally that young men are the least of your problems there (pensioners, especially female pensioners would be my sweeping generalisation to corral into 'reeducation' classes)

I didn't equate the two. I used conditional tense to emphasise lad culture is fine as long as it doesn't stray into sexist, racist or homophobic slurs.

tritium

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I didn't equate the two. I used conditional tense to emphasise lad culture is fine as long as it doesn't stray into sexist, racist or homophobic slurs.

Not intending to have a go at you, so apologies if it seemed that way. My point is that lad culture is used as such a catch all (and I've already explained why I think that is) that its easy but unfair to then throw in certain behaviours as example of same culture. Basically its taking an objectionable trait and inferring that its somehow associated with the broadest possible demographic.

As I pointed out, the objectionable traits are pretty widely ingrained in a much wider cross section of society- there are plenty of example of racism and sexism from men, women, young, old , middle aged, feminist, liberal, conservative etc. Little bit of an unsubstantiated stretch to apply it exclusively to lads (not you but rather the way lad culture is used )

Richard Hillman

My interpretation of "Lad Culture" is:
Gym Membership,
Protein Shakes,
Tanning,
T-shirts that are too small for them,
Wearing shorts on a cold day,
Visits nandos,
Watches Geordie/Jersey Shore,
drinks with a straw in a night club,
Walks around with a top off on a warm day,
May own a staffordshire bull terrier.

Those types of gimps.

Micky Dolenz

I thought Lad culture was boozing heavily and being loud and obnoxious. I also thought it wasn't gender specific.It is very British media driven term and I wouldn't have heard the reference outside of that. I think I may have heard it being used a few years ago on one of those cop shows, "boozed up Britain" or similar.

anncoates

The original lad culture (as in the British media confection of the 90s) was pretty much a student /professional /middle class aping of idealized prole behaviour and subculture: for example, Damon Albarn caning it in his Fila tracksuit top while hanging around dog tracks and pretending to be a football casual.

It's a pretty flimsy premise on which to attempt serious insight into gender issues.

Sleepy

"Lad culture" is a strawman created by those who are trying to justify the fact they wasted the opportunity to be educated by sitting through misandrist, gender-studies / social "science" classes instead of learning how to be of value to society.

In the modern western world, I can't think of a single right a man has that a woman doesn't. I can't think of a single law of government policy that favours men over women. I can point to a few (our rape / statutory rape laws, family courts, funding of an equality authority that focuses almost solely on "womens' issues" etc.) that do the opposite.

When your only education is in fighting a battle your mother's generation won, you need to create a new enemy to fight: enter "lad culture", "patriarchy" etc.

suicide_circus

No one is more shrill than a person who did gender studies.

Mister Vain

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned the term "lad culture" is just another way for modern society to demonize young men for behaving like young men. Groups of young women behave exactly the same way and don't get slammed for it.

I'm not so sure about that. There is a such thing as a ladette.

BlatentCheek

anncoates wrote: »

The original lad culture (as in the British media confection of the 90s) was pretty much a student /professional /middle class aping of idealized prole behaviour and subculture: for example, Damon Albarn caning it in his Fila tracksuit top while hanging around dog tracks and pretending to be a football casual.

It's a pretty flimsy premise on which to attempt serious insight into gender issues.

Agreed. At this stage the term has become so watered down by misallocation as to be essentially meaningless. It's now little more than a lazy journalistic shorthand for features writers on a slow news day.

midlandsmissus

I think the bit of lad culture that I see is wrong is that alot of young men feel they have to talk about young women in shockingly crude and bad ways in order to look like a lad in front of their friends.

The other terrible part of lad culture is victim blaming in rape,which has arisen partly due to the social inequality saying men having sex=stud, women having sex =slut. We are still not equal, but I feel this will turn in the near future.

Mister Vain

midlandsmissus wrote: »

The other terrible part of lad culture is victim blaming in rape,which has arisen partly due to the social inequality saying men having sex=stud, women having sex =slut. We are still not equal, but I feel this will turn in the near future.

Yeah but the whole slut vs. stud dichotomy ignores the word "creep." A man is only a stud if the woman actually agrees to sleep with him.

Carlos Orange

Mister Vain wrote: »

Yeah but the whole slut vs. stud dichotomy ignores the word "creep."

I always thought what it ignored was that women are shamed for being sluts and men are shamed for not.

Banana Strawberry

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I think the bit of lad culture that I see is wrong is that alot of young men feel they have to talk about young women in shockingly crude and bad ways in order to look like a lad in front of their friends.

The other terrible part of lad culture is victim blaming in rape,which has arisen partly due to the social inequality saying men having sex=stud, women having sex =slut. We are still not equal, but I feel this will turn in the near future.

One thing that will never change is that is more difficult for a men to stag lots of beautiful women, therefore it is more worthy of admiration when a man does something that most others can't. There is nothing wrong with women being promiscuous but it's fairly easy to do for most women therfore it's not nearly as admirable when a woman can do it because most women could.

midlandsmissus

Banana Strawberry wrote: »

One thing that will never change is that is more difficult for a men to stag lots of beautiful women, therefore it is more worthy of admiration when a man does something that most others can't. There is nothing wrong with women being promiscuous but it's fairly easy to do for most women therfore it's not nearly as admirable when a woman can do it because most women could.

No. If that were the case when a woman sleeps with alot of men it would be 'Oh thats nothing to write home about`. Thats not the case, people are shamed. When women are able to do what they want sexually without being judged we will live in a fair society. At the moment we do not.

midlandsmissus

A note for thought: its only harder for men to get sex because women are told they are sluts if they give in too easily! What would that be like if that wasnt the case and women could do what they wanted? We would be equal.

One eyed Jack

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I think the bit of lad culture that I see is wrong is that alot of young men feel they have to talk about young women in shockingly crude and bad ways in order to look like a lad in front of their friends.

The other terrible part of lad culture is victim blaming in rape,which has arisen partly due to the social inequality saying men having sex=stud, women having sex =slut. We are still not equal, but I feel this will turn in the near future.

Ahh now, as much as I find the whole "lad culture" a bit sad and what not, you seem to be mixing it up with "out and out scumbag" culture (I'm not even sure that is a culture anthropologically speaking, but I sure as hell know it when I see it!)

midlandsmissus wrote: »

No. If that were the case when a woman sleeps with alot of men it would be 'Oh thats nothing to write home about`. Thats not the case, people are shamed. When women are able to do what they want sexually without being judged we will live in a fair society. At the moment we do not.

Banana Strawberry

midlandsmissus wrote: »

No. If that were the case when a woman sleeps with alot of men it would be 'Oh thats nothing to write home about`. Thats not the case, people are shamed. When women are able to do what they want sexually without being judged we will live in a fair society. At the moment we do not.

Indeed there is shaming of promiscuous women. I fully agree.

AndonHandon

midlandsmissus wrote: »

No. If that were the case when a woman sleeps with alot of men it would be 'Oh thats nothing to write home about`. Thats not the case, people are shamed. When women are able to do what they want sexually without being judged we will live in a fair society. At the moment we do not.

Men and women are biologically different. It is a fact that women do not need to work as hard to get laid, there is no disputing that. Therefore, a woman who does sleep with whoever she wants is not a slut it is more that it isn't anything to brag about in the same way that dressing oneself in the morning isn't.

midlandsmissus

That's never going to happen, nor will we ever live in a fair society, no point in kidding ourselves about it. But, what we can do, is learn to show each other a little more respect and not be so quick to judge and label people according to our own prejudices.[/QUOTE] Why will it never happen? Nothing stays the same forever. Why is it the way it is at the minute? Control?

midlandsmissus

AndonHandon wrote: »

Men and women are biologically different. It is a fact that women do not need to work as hard to get laid, there is no disputing that. Therefore, a woman who does sleep with whoever she wants is not a slut it is more that it isn't anything to brag about in the same way that dressing oneself in the morning isn't.

Yes but youre viewing it in a skewed way. Another way to look at it is: women could get sex easily if they wanted because men are allowed by society to be sexually free, men cannot get sex easily because women are controlled by society as to what they can or cant do sexually, they are controlled. This imbalance hurts both of us.

Fr_Dougal

midlandsmissus wrote: »

A note for thought: its only harder for men to get sex because women are told they are sluts if they give in too easily! What would that be like if that wasnt the case and women could do what they wanted? We would be equal.

To be fair, it's usually her peers doing the shaming. Women are harder on each other than men would ever be.

midlandsmissus

TheZohan wrote: »

To be fair, it's usually her peers doing the shaming. Women are harder on each other than men would ever be.

There was another thread on AH only a few days ago wherea girl sent a male poster a text saying'**** me please`. This was met with responses `real classy bird there' 'real marriage material! ' - all from male posters.