Brian Shanahan wrote: » No it wouldn't, with the possible exception of it being placed on the moon (and with meteor impacts, that is a chancy possibility). If human civilisation died off in the morning, there would be little remaining other than ruins of the foundations by a thousand years, just like Ramsses's statue in Shelly's poem.
Zillah wrote: » You don't appear to know what you're talking about. Perhaps our generation being somehow arrogant and doomed to be forgotten syncs nicely with some ideological position that you've taken but the physics doesn't support you.
Username32 wrote: » These people buried their tools with them cause they thought they would need them in their next life. They were misguided stupid savages. Who built big mounds using slaves they tortured and beat to death.
kylith wrote: » I am actually very interested in learning more about Newgrange. Can you provide a link to the information about it being built by slaves who were tortured and beaten to death as I have never heard of this?
expectationlost wrote: » that was quick https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/538771604734763008 nifty bit of engineering there
expectationlost wrote: » is the cross now crucifixion ready?
Smiley92a wrote: » Well, most modern buildings were built under the assumption that there would be someone around to maintain them, but that's been the assumption behind most buildings throughout history. The people who built Newgrange didn't actually live in it after all, they probably lived in wooden houses that have since disappeared. There are probably plenty of modern structures that will last a very long time unmaintained. There are still old Nazi bunkers dotting Germany because no one can find any economical way to get rid of them. I suppose what's impressive about Newgrange isn't so much it's survival so much as what it represents, a vast amount of effort and labor spent on something not strictly necessary, and because it offers a glimpse of a society we know frustratingly little about. And it also attracts tourists It's actually been tarted up immensely; that pristine white exterior is new. The pictures from around the 60s just show a heap of earth with a tunnel leading into it. I'd recommend watching Life After People some time. Just don't watch it if you're feeling upset about anything.... Actually, I wonder, do you think the existence of a documentary like that has something to do with a pervading sense of pessimism to this generation? It's definitely a pessimistic show, investigating what would happen to the remains of human civilization if we all just died out one day. It even focuses on how people's pet's would die.
Username32 wrote: » I am offended by Newgrange- its a reminder of the utter primitiveness and stupidity of ancient people. Obsessed with worshiping the sun when at the same time enslaving and torturing women and children. Savages.
Cabaal wrote: » I'd also be interested to see evidence to back up these claims of slaves worked to death etc (am sure OPW would be interested also) , of course failure to provide such creditable evidence means the claims are full of ****e. Recently watched some docs on stone henge no claims of slaves involved in that. So doubtful of slaves involved in Newgrange.
Molester Stallone II wrote: » So, no planning permission here either?
recedite wrote: » As they are only fixing the existing cross, as opposed to installing a new one, they don't need it. I have to say, well done to those lads for their ingenuity, even if I don't support their cause. It looks like they hauled up their own gear, and spent little or no money, unlike the gardai who were investigating. I wonder how long the cross will last this time, now that the new sport of "cross-felling" has been born
shruikan2553 wrote: » The challenge is who can cut down the biggest cross
recedite wrote: » As they are only fixing the existing cross, as opposed to installing a new one, they don't need it. I have to say, well done to those lads for their ingenuity, even if I don't support their cause. It looks like they spent very little money on the repair. I wonder how long the cross will last this time, now that the new sport of "cross-felling" has been born
Molester Stallone II wrote: » No planning permission for the original either.
recedite wrote: I wonder how long the cross will last this time, now that the new sport of "cross-felling" has been born.
J C wrote: » If there is a planning issue then the appropriate planning authorities are the only people who should be involved in resolving it..
J C wrote: » You can't get something more crass and disrespectful of diversity than the willful destruction of the cultural and religious symbol of a substantial section of the community - and I would say the very same if somebody had attacked and destroyed a symbol of any other religion or indeed a secular monument, for that matter.
Molester Stallone II wrote: » Well, no, the people erecting the cross should be the only people involved. They haven't approached the kcc for permission as yet
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Historic sculpture? It was put up in 1976 and is an eyesore..
eviltwin wrote: » Why shouldn't AI have an opinion on this? Everyone else does. Being an atheist organisation after all its not too much of a surprise that AI don't agree with crosses or other religious icons being placed on mountains. What do people expect them to say when asked? Personally I don't care either way, its not a place I plan to ever visit so its not really on my radar but it does highlight the wider issue of how religion is represented in society. Crosses etc should only be seen in places of faith, there is absolutely no reason why a cross needs to be on a mountain or why grottos should be in villages or any of that other kind of stuff. My home town has a massive stone cross as you enter which is fine for the Catholics but it doesn't speak for me or represent me or the many other people from that town of other faiths and none. It shouldn't bother me but it does irritate me at times. There is a huge church down the road, by far the biggest building in the entire town ( like in most towns and villages ). Is that not enough? I am in two minds about this cross being replaced, some of these structures are as much about history as they are about faith and its kinda letting the vandals win but I don't know - crosses on mountains? Seems a bit of religious overkill.
FullblownRose wrote: » Who says it was an angle grinder? I would have thought, hacksaw.
recedite wrote: » I'd be the first to condemn somebody who cut down a cross from the top of a church, or a crescent on a mosque. But when the symbol is placed somewhere that I consider to be rightfully a place shared by everybody, then I feel that it is fair game. Even if the summit of Irelands highest mountain is technically in private ownership, it shouldn't be. It should be like a beach; owned by nobody. Nobody can own a beach in Ireland, unlike in some countries.
lazygal wrote: » Papal Cross in the Phoenix Park?
