Username32 wrote: » I am offended by Newgrange- its a reminder of the utter primitiveness and stupidity of ancient people. Obsessed with worshiping the sun when at the same time enslaving and torturing women and children. Savages.
Username32 wrote: » These people buried their tools with them cause they thought they would need them in their next life. They were misguided stupid savages. Who built big mounds using slaves they tortured and beat to death.
Cabaal wrote: » I'd also be interested to see evidence to back up these claims of slaves worked to death etc (am sure OPW would be interested also) , of course failure to provide such creditable evidence means the claims are full of ****e. Recently watched some docs on stone henge no claims of slaves involved in that. So doubtful of slaves involved in Newgrange.
Smiley92a wrote: » Well, most modern buildings were built under the assumption that there would be someone around to maintain them, but that's been the assumption behind most buildings throughout history. The people who built Newgrange didn't actually live in it after all, they probably lived in wooden houses that have since disappeared. There are probably plenty of modern structures that will last a very long time unmaintained. There are still old Nazi bunkers dotting Germany because no one can find any economical way to get rid of them. I suppose what's impressive about Newgrange isn't so much it's survival so much as what it represents, a vast amount of effort and labor spent on something not strictly necessary, and because it offers a glimpse of a society we know frustratingly little about. And it also attracts tourists It's actually been tarted up immensely; that pristine white exterior is new. The pictures from around the 60s just show a heap of earth with a tunnel leading into it. I'd recommend watching Life After People some time. Just don't watch it if you're feeling upset about anything.... Actually, I wonder, do you think the existence of a documentary like that has something to do with a pervading sense of pessimism to this generation? It's definitely a pessimistic show, investigating what would happen to the remains of human civilization if we all just died out one day. It even focuses on how people's pet's would die.
expectationlost wrote: » is the cross now crucifixion ready?
expectationlost wrote: » that was quick https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/538771604734763008 nifty bit of engineering there
kylith wrote: » I am actually very interested in learning more about Newgrange. Can you provide a link to the information about it being built by slaves who were tortured and beaten to death as I have never heard of this?
Zillah wrote: » You don't appear to know what you're talking about. Perhaps our generation being somehow arrogant and doomed to be forgotten syncs nicely with some ideological position that you've taken but the physics doesn't support you.
Brian Shanahan wrote: » No it wouldn't, with the possible exception of it being placed on the moon (and with meteor impacts, that is a chancy possibility). If human civilisation died off in the morning, there would be little remaining other than ruins of the foundations by a thousand years, just like Ramsses's statue in Shelly's poem.
Zillah wrote: » We could today engineer something similar that is accurate to within microns and would stand for a million years without outside interference.
swampgas wrote: » This is going off on somewhat of a tangent: I would prefer it if sites like Carrauntoohil were owned by the state (in some kind of National Park) and not by private owners.
shruikan2553 wrote: » People keep using this sort of thing as an example. They seem to have a self importance that makes them think that a cross has the same historical importance as the likes newgrange. A building with incredibly advanced engineering is equal to a steel cross.
gammygils wrote: » Some madman has cut down a cross
lazybones32 wrote: » Now people are acting as if the RCC put the cross there as a mark of ownership and are forcing everyone who climbs the mountain to venerate the cross. After this, I have more respect for the environmentalists who objected to the re-erection on grounds of spoiling the 'purity' of the mountain, than I have for the atheists* who are trying to hide behind planning permission to mask their anti-theist position. Such a tolerant, liberal and open-minded group indeed. *the bitter minority
Realt Dearg Sec wrote: » What is intended as the removal of symbols that might exclude difference, is a kind of anaemic, vacuous public space so bent on total inclusion that it ends up being devoid of any symbolic meaning at all. It's not a coincidence that most of the new monuments we have are chrome, shiny mirror-like materials. They simply reflect without saying anything, create an anonymous void. And what fills that void is, basically, shopping, corporate culture, the market. It is much worse than a cross most of us didn't even know was there before someone cut it down. That, it seems to me, is actually the best case scenario of concerning oneself with religious symbols and other such sentimental codology instead of the important stuff.
swampgas wrote: » This is going off on somewhat of a tangent: I would prefer it if sites like Carrauntoohil were owned by the state (in some kind of National Park) and not by private owners. This isn't an anonymous field in Kerry, this is the highest mountain in the state, and more of a public amenity than anything else. I believe that everyone in the country can have an interest in the way Carrauntoohil is managed, and ultimately it should not be up to a few private individuals what religion (if any) is allowed to stamp its identity on it.
lazybones32 wrote: » "Cross to rise again before Christmas" - Kerry's Eye, 27/11/14 Outrage at the cutting down of the Cross on Carrauntuohill is fueling determination to have the religious symbol erected again 'this side of Christmas'. Central to the decision to reinstate the cross is the approval of the four local landowners who own the land in the vicinity of the peak. Seven farmers in all own the mountain and the surrounding land... "We now accept the cross is on private land", Mr. Hinchliffe (Atheist Ireland member, Peter) said, "we would have liked to have seen something that was not just symbolic of one part of the community but it is their land and what they put up is their choice." - Breda Joy. Forgot to add: it appears the Gardai had to investigate the vandalism on the top of the mountain and they arrived by helicopter.
Cabaal wrote: » Yeah! Worshipping a half dead 2000 year old man on a cross is so much more advanced, we live in the future!
Turtwig wrote: » Keep accusations of trolling to reported posts or pm. Attack the post not the poster. No more snipes. Shake hands please and start over.
seamus wrote: » Gardai arriving by helicopter to investigate who cut down a useless steel pole on private land. In so many ways, Father Ted was a documentary, not a comedy. Initially I was windering why in hell AI were bothering to make any noise about this, but having seen that they were in fact asked for a comment, then I see no reason why they wouldn't express their opinion. Let them put it back up, then make a complaint on the grounds that no PP was sought, and let them pay to pull it back down again. They won't be bothered paying to put it back up again.
Smiley92a wrote: » I'll see your Jane Austen and raise you a Stephanie Myer. Although now you mention it, Pride and Prejudice did bore the arse off me, and I never read any of her other books after being introduced to her in college, so... I don't know if I'd call the destruction of the cross 'vandalism' because I really don't care. If you do care about the Church and it's symbols then you might call it vandalism. I'm sure you'll find someone on here who'll argue that the erection of the cross on Carrauntoohil was itself an act of vandalism. And I'm not in the habit of burning books. Maybe I should get into it, they're starting to pile up. I'm sure I bought a dieting book at some point, that's definitely being used as a firelighter next time I see it.
