Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Shane kingston six from play ciaran cormack john O sullivan cormack and powter and griffin outstanding for rochestown

Management
Diarmuid fahy
Michael Cullen
Humprey canty
Aidan longergan

Rochestown
Andrew Cullihane Douglas
Donnach Murphy Douglas
David griifin carriglaine captain
Ross coleman Cobh
Darragh kelleher Cobh
John cashman rockies
Cathal sheehan Douglas
Eoin o brien douglas
John o sullivan rockies
Ciaran cormack rockies
Diarmuid o mahony Douglas
Shane kingston Douglas
Paddy lynch rockies
Sean powter Douglas
Subs
Ryan Cantwell rockies sub used

Panel
Rory crowley rockies
John Cantwell Douglas
James Holland Douglas
David stack carriglaine
Kevin o Donovan Nemo
Sam mcgrath Douglas
Brian turnbull Douglas
Barry grainger rockies
Luke dunlea Ballygarvan
Philip buckley rockies
Ronan buckley rockies
Liam dinneen Douglas
Jason Murray Douglas
Nathan walsh douglas
Brian o connor Douglas
Cormack kiely tracton

Caoimhins
Paul kinnerks clare coach manager

Jack o connor
Ciaran o connor
Cathal lynch
Liam o connor
Pa mulready
Colin guilfoyle
Dean devenney
Jack cunningham brother aron
Rory Hayes played as sweeper
Ben Gorman
Darragh mcmahon
Eoin flynn
Aron Shanagher
Cathal Agnew

A great dry day,after all rain charville in immaculate condition with clear winter sun, crisp cold air. No wind, beautiful day fot hurling

Full time

Rochestown 0-16 caoimhins 0-13

Half time rochestown 0-5 caoimhins o-7

Great game, caoimhins set up clare way, sweeper with Rory Hayes who got terrific score playing deep and cleaning up ocean ball and cresting so much and with lynch,o connor and Colin guilfoyle were immense in defence in which rochestown couldnt break down sweeper in ist half and kingston in full forward line didn't help

Credit due management they Brought kingston out in second half centre forward and Daniel o mahony helped midfield more and the the magnificent young john O sullivan eligble harty next year were awesome at midfield in both attacking and defending and griifin had terrific game holding Shanagher clare minor point play with john cashman having imperious game at centre back won the second half

John was immense under the high ball and sweeping ball and crisp deliveries to kingston six from play and brilliant powter two crucial points from play, with cormack impressive from frees in around six frees chipping in with vital point from play but huge workrate and won lots of ball in the half forward line

They two down at half time never panicked, had beaten two cork teams so far so today was the ist real test outside cork, they answered it impeccably against a fine well coached csoimhins Paul kinnerks team

Rory Hayes. Ben o Gorman, jack cunnigham and defenders I mentioned all had fine games for them
Clare minor aron Shanagher tried hard, good from frees but griffin a minor cork hurler and footballer this year and next year played captains part outstanding solid no nonsense full back display easy see why he played 21for club this year for carriglaine.

Great results rochestown are now qualified for Quater Final for the second year in a row

Splendid day all round for cork teams in youghal as I expected won a close game their hunger I say won it for them as charville were out but good charville were competive also
Youghal through and brillant for them with Kevin Murphy, Cathal deane, eligble next year but also means cork minors Darragh o brien and Declan dalton who will be cork goal keeper but playing as a forward get more games

Great win for colmans I thought they would win but not by that much
Huge win they beat Castletroy they may go through in the last game
Good for cork they won

Midelton v hammies I though be close but I though midelton win but delighted hammies small school big heart the true success harty cup and cork hurling in second year in a row in Quater finals now, and their third year back since a gap of almost seventeenth years approx being out of the Harty

Delighted for them but disappointed for midelton like torn between two lover's I feel
Midelton will never ever meet a team as much heart as hammies in or put og cork, and midelton with game left will qualify
We have three cork teams imo will have four

Now Ag beat doon winner take all, they can win we could have five and maybee Colmans if results go way qualify also which would mean six out of possible seven cork teams in last 8,in truth I'd be happy with five cork teams in Quater finals and with midelton all ireland final u16 v good counsel in two weeks cork hurling is flying at schools so far and met all my expectations so far and once landers loss Dosent have huge effect cork minors cork minors will have huge chance despite very very tough munster draw of getting to a munster final
Great day for cork teams and ard scoil as I thought beat west limerick but west limerick will improve in the future, ard scoil have huge experience and it is only he wears the shoe knows exactly how it fits

West limerick should be proud what they achieved in year one and look at hamilton in cork, role model for all keep work up in football aera yes you can survive

Magical magical Is this wonderful harty cup and credit caoimhins and rochestown for an epic high intensity top class hurling game today
Thank you both schools for doing hurling proud today.

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/dr-harty-cup-matches-1786484-Nov2014/

Midelton have their fate in their own hands should beat Nenagh

Colmans have to beat Castletroy a big ask but with young team great expierence for them

Youghal and rochestown all qualified with one of the Cork teams guaranteed top spot and Hamilton have qualified

Ag mhuire have to beat doon but can once they start killan aherne play gunning on Barry Murphy and dayne lee on Colin Ryan at centre forward

Great place for all cork teams and charville in a group of two cork teams with young team have done admirably and if Colemans don't qualify with two wins it's confidence for next year so overall a pretty damn good harty cup campaign for cork wchools and realistically a great chance of at least one if not in the semi final

One draw back is hamilton as group winners may get ard scoil in runner up in their group in a draw

Hamilton won't be a walk over for any team but id like them avoid ard scoil as could beat any remain teams even cork sides but ard scoil would seem be to very strong

Midelton once the u16all ireland final is over will be more focused and would be in a good chance of beating ard scoil and having beat them at rice cup and dean Ryan won't fear them

Great to see Daniel Meaney with rochestown today,not playing yet but apparently making good recovery from serious injury he suffered training with cork last year

There is a chance he may hopefully be back in time for their Quater Final in January

Rochestown have templemore up next so having qualified can try out new players

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Did Pa O Callaghan get a call up to the senior hurlers ?

Lads anyone know if hes involved or not ?

Breadandbutter

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Lads anyone know if hes involved or not ?

Heard he got the call but not if he has committed or not yet

maybe he's not ready yet - in fairness Joe Canning stood back a few years ago when Lougnane put in the call

It's his decision and maybe he feels it too soon

Heard Patrick Curran also declined an invite to waterford senior panel

http://www.thescore.ie/mark-landers-1999-memories-1070089-Sep2013/

Great read

He's determination or commitment or ability fight to fight adversity I don't doubt at all

Tactical shrewdness remains to be seen????
In year one I'm hoping he learned a lot from Denis ring ever
But from that article he certainly wont ask players do anything he hasn't done himself
Tough player

http://www.he.gaa.ie/Latest-News

Good see rob o shea by reports have a good game
See lehane was named at full forward, If he stayed there for the whole game it seems no lessons learned from last year in he's played out of position at full forward and clearly a better half forward

As for pa Callaghan he is not in the Waterford Crystal competition as of yet Luke meade is though with dayne lee
I'm not sure Sean donoughue is I'd be very surprised if he was

Trevor horgan and Darren o driscoll carrigtwohill u17 development player could be involved in the all star Ul freshers panel v ucd tommorrow

Horgan is just back from injury so he may loose out in what is an all star ul team packed lad's played minor or development games with their respective counties.

Smith614

There is no excuse for a 2o yr old not joining a senior intercounty squad. A lot of Clare lads were blooded younger and backboned an AI title at 19-20. ( and before u start TTM , I would love to see how he would get on. A natural hurler)

Horse84

Darren McCarthy is to be given game time outfield in the Waterford chrystal. I'd love to see how he'd get on.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/landers-right-man-for-the-job-says-cork-boss-barry-murphy-298664.html#.VG2sUjE0qsA.twitter

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/midleton-stunned-by-hamiltons-late-show-298708.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brislane-goal-makes-it-safe-for-nenagh-298706.html

Intersting to read as always Denis Hurley excellent and consistent harty cup coverage,second to none in any county imo, top top stuff always a pleasure and a real privelge to read,

In hes report john looney,josh beausang,Brendan mccarthy, Chris o leary all played well in the match report by hes account.

I See dinneen goaled , he's having a terrific season this year goal wise

Also it's mentioned tim o mahony got two goals,no surprise at all, this lad is superb and imo certain starter for cork minors.
Dean linehan bride rovers cork u17 player got a goal, and niall o leary cork 16 also for castlelyons.

No surprise wonderful Declan dalton is leading the way for youghal scoring wise I'm delighted to see youghal moved Darragh o brien from full forward like I advocated to the backs as he's a much much better defender.
He played centre back and according to the paper he had a fine game.
Imo he should be full back, it would have been some duel him and tim o mahony

Ian cahill sent off but not straight red so I presume he's available for the Nenagh game?? in which midelton imo should win.

By report it seems midelton had it won but late goals cost them
This was the time to loose for them imo If they had to loose in they have another chance and the loss will take the expectation of them now but they could learn lessons from it,but I fully expect to win v nenagh, in the all ireland u16 final will be played by then and the school has just one focus then.
Maybee dan landers and garan manley may start the next day

Not only was it good day for cork s schools but it seems kingston, dalton, beausang, o leary, o brien, looney, o mahony, cashman, Griffin,Brendan mccarthy all played well and they could be all key players for the cork minors next year.
It's exactly what you want you to see cork minors Imo doing in the rock said once the harty cup he felt was higher intensity than minor intercounty,and while that is open for debate, it's certainly at least up their with minor so imo it is great for cork minor hurling to see its top top players performing well.

I'm not one bit surprised with john looney my opening post for this year harty here i said he would light up the harty cup, indeed he is doing so, there imo is more to come from him.
I lauded him with praise in the dean ryan cup last year. Everything you want in a forward.

I also have been huge fan of tim o mahony and said this guy has it all, imo two years he will be called up by jbm and mark landers for cork seniors if the current form maintains
He has performed at school, minor,and u21 and senior for hes club he is some talent and I'd have him on the extended u21 hurling panel if the minors go out early.
Robbie o flynn and Michael o halloran are two lad's unfortunate not to be in the harty cup imo two superb players that would light up a Harty cup also.

In a nutshell in my honest opinion cork minors have some array of forward talent next year and the hardest but wonderful position for management will be picking the perfect six in terms of strength, tappy hurling, aerial ball winning, pace, scoring, Guile, poise,composure, instinct,touch and finese,athleticism and power,direct running and bold ruthless goal scorers full of conviction,belief, accuracy and combined with a dogdness leadership to win hard ball and when the need is truly greatest to stand up in games and deliver and I have not one shread of doubt that Denis ring won't pick the perfect six forwards that is the full compliment of all the charctestics I mention in relation to the forwards.

Good to hear Luke meade had a superb game also. He should be full of confidence coming in to the senior set up and him and. Dayne lee cork fans must be patient and allow them settle at senior intercounty.
Meade has everything you want in a hurler, I all last year in the harty cup was hugely impressed by him
Interesting jbm likely to play Declan mccarthy outfield he says.

I hope Patrick collins gets a run in the Waterford crystals, in yes young and still u21 but this is an ideal environment to blood what Is going to be a future really great cork goalkeeper, among all time greats cork goalies.
Lot of optimism regards cork hurling the last say
Interesting who ring will bring in,maybee he will promote dwyer to the coaching drills and add just a selector.
Dwyer in fairness all credit due at the end of the day Is a very very good coach doing superb work truly superb work in Ballincollig schools.

As for pa Callaghan I wouldn't say it's definitely a decision either way as of yet.
Also one point that must never be forgotten ever Is there is every every excuse if player doesn't want to play intercounty or make sacrifices for intercounty in cork gaa doesn't own a player it's entirely he's decision and must be respected either way.
He's decision to play no body else's. What must be done is to make sure everything is in place, good management, good facilities, good panel morale, good organisation,AND any support he needs to influence him to join which all credit to jbm it is.
But ultimately the decision to play or not to is pa Callaghans only so to say there is no excuse if he doesn't play is imo not correct.

An ameateaur in professional game more or less has a huge sacfrice and commitments needs to be made

If a player chooses to play then imo he can be critised on the field of play as he knows it's part of the territory and he committed to it but if he doesn't want to play in the ist place that he's decision

It's not like dualism where lad's played both and a player had to be told choose
If a lad doesn't want to play intercounty he's decision must be respected and once it's not hes refusing to play under jbm which he wouldn't be if he doesn't play it's he's decision to commit or not to playing senior intercounty.

Mountainlad

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

As for pa Callaghan I wouldn't say it's definitely a decision either way as of yet.
Also one point that must never be forgotten ever Is there is every every excuse if player doesn't want to play intercounty or make sacrifices for intercounty in cork gaa doesn't own a player it's entirely he's decision and must be respected either way.
He's decision to play no body else's. What must be done is to make sure everything is in place, good management, good facilities, good panel morale, good organisation,AND any support he needs to influence him to join which all credit to jbm it is.
But ultimately the decision to play or not to is pa Callaghans only so to say there is no excuse if he doesn't play is imo not correct.

An ameateaur in professional game more or less has a huge sacfrice and commitments needs to be made

If a player chooses to play then imo he can be critised on the field of play as he knows it's part of the territory and he committed to it but if he doesn't want to play in the ist place that he's decision

It's not like dualism where lad's played both and a player had to be told choose
If a lad doesn't want to play intercounty he's decision must be respected and once it's not hes refusing to play under jbm which he wouldn't be if he doesn't play it's he's decision to commit or not to playing senior intercounty.

Here, here. That point is not made half often enough.

Can't believe the vitriol being directed at Brian Cuthbert by Cork supporters. I understand it's frustrating watching a talented team underachieve but he can't realistically be held accountable for the defections to other codes. Ciaran Sheehan was a kick in the teeth but he has always entertained the idea of a career in the AFL. Aidan Walsh is going into business making hurleys so it always made sense that he was going to commit to JBM's team. Likewise Cahalane was established with the hurlers even though he looks a better footballer in my eyes.

Maybe Cuthbert threw the baby out with the bathwater after the Dublin game but tactics had to be re-asessed. Many teams struggled to regroup after hammerings by Dublin. Derry sank completely. Cork recovered better than most. Nearly beat Mayo who could easily have won an All-Ireland this year with a bit more luck. If Cuthbert can find a good centre-field pairing they'll be hard to beat next year.

wackokid

Think you are reading that wrong HighKing, as nobody holds him responsible or accountable for the 'defections' as you describe lads choosing one code only.
What he is accountable for is the hammering taken from Kerry in the home patch on Munster Final day when he failed to select the best players and then failed utterly to take remedial action when obvious changes were required.
He will also be held accountable for his team selections and substitutions in the Tipp game.
His excuses and explanations to the media after both these games were pathetic and childish but most reasonable people hope he will have learned from his mistakes and inexperience as a senior inter county manager.
Don't know where you get the 'vitriol' from as he must expect some flak from genuine supporters when he drops the ball so embarrassingly.
I don't see him learning now and my guess is Div 2 for Cork footballers in 2016.
That is probably the best thing that can happen as he would surely not accept another term and we might get a well rounded individual or two in the dug out. Hope that doesn't sound vitriolic?

sean mac

Great post wacko,sums up perfectly how most cork football supporters feel about cuthbert.Add in selecting a bunch of novices on the line with him and his ham fisted efforts to pressurise the ref before the mayo game and it illustrates how much he needs to learn

sean mac

Speaking of the hurling panel for the new season I am looking forward to seeing Luke Farrell again ....he had a very bad year with injurys so hopefully he can get his fitness back and I think he has loads to offer the setup going forward.

wackokid wrote: »

Think you are reading that wrong HighKing, as nobody holds him responsible or accountable for the 'defections' as you describe lads choosing one code only.

Well I can't comment on Boards posters but going by the PROC forums many Corkmen do indeed hold Cuthbert accountable for defections from the football panel.

The fundamental point I was making concerned life post-Dublin - that Cork actually recovered better than most. Like I said Derry were never competitive again having been the pace-setters all through the league. Meath looked a pale shadow of the team that had demolished Kildare in Leinster. This is how tough the road to recovery is and Cuthbert did a better job than most picking up the pieces. I don't think people appreciate just how damaging those defeats by gaelic football's most 'professional' team were last year, many teams were left shattered as a result of them.

HighKing33 wrote: »

Well I can't comment on Boards posters but going by the PROC forums many Corkmen do indeed hold Cuthbert accountable for defections from the football panel.

The fundamental point I was making concerned life post-Dublin - that Cork actually recovered better than most. Like I said Derry were never competitive again having been the pace-setters all through the league. Meath looked a pale shadow of the team that had demolished Kildare in Leinster. This is how tough the road to recovery is and Cuthbert did a better job than most picking up the pieces. I don't think people appreciate just how damaging those defeats by gaelic football's most 'professional' team were last year, many teams were left shattered as a result of them.

How did cork recover exactly???

I'm not sure you appreciate the realism in what actually happened results wise.

Scraped past Tipperary at home,destroyed by kerry absolutely humiliation in cork, poor against an awful sligo no offence to them but they still won fair amount of possession but could not score.

In the mayo game were cork that good??imo no not even close. Watch the game again.
Cork never in truth came close to mayo as ed coughlan said and I posted link here mayo let cork back In to that game and he said it was nothing cork done more mayo dropped the intensity and mayo let cork back in to it.
Now can you honestly say cork done well after dublin.
No.
After dublin it was clear as day he's Kevin keegan philosophy of all out attack was not working he picked a team that totally imo disrespect Tipperary challenge and how good a manager creddon was by thinking he's all out attack would beat Tipperary.

Look at the moral in camp,way dinneen, Andrew sullivan for example were treated after the dublin game.
How can you say he made progress and got cork back on track then.

Don't forget who facilitated dualism from day one he left himself open to players leaving he's players do both.
He should of made it clear he wasn't allowing it
I wouldn't say walsh going hurling is primarily he's a hurley maker he had a better chance of winning with the hurlers.

Why does cahalane a man son of niall with football in he's blood choose hurling????
It was known in July as said by many cahalane had issues with this set up

Who picked the four novices in management with him,he did.
Hes not all to blame as ccb appointed him to be fair.
I was nearly in tears reading tommy walsh praise county board in kilkenny for total support in he's great career who set the foundations for their success with their great support and putting structures in place

Can anyone name a cork all ireland medal winner recently thanked cork county board for doing likewise.
I don't think so.
Kerry players have had the privilege of a county board like kilkenny and done likewise cork hasn't to be fair all the time.

But he appointed a back room team when sexton,sullivan, Davis had zero coaching expierence at club level.
Whos to blame if not cuthbhert honestly???
The genuine fans don't get any joy at all critising one of their own but in fairness this year has been a disaster.

I don't think you actually appreciate not that mistakes were made but some kept repeating themselves.

Midfield was a shambles all year.
He couldn't see that.
I'm not being wise after genuinely I said after every single game, yes every single game, in mcgrath cup,league etc cork had huge midfield issues.
He Is manager of cork yet he couldn't see that.

Why on one training camp a very important one no video analysis was done
Club teams, underage teams even use video analysis.

I honestly think you're failing to appreciate just how damaging psychologically a defeat to this Dublin team can be. They often looked like pros playing amatuers. Cork were not too far away from beating Mayo and making a semi-final appearance which is a lot more than you can say for teams like Derry or Meath so yes that is a recovery.

In hindsight Cuthbert was naive to suggest that dualism could work but that issue was going to come to a head anyway. Cahalane was already established as a starter with the hurlers but yes it must be frustrating because he looks a natural footballer. Cork played some super stuff in the league last year and I felt it was rash to completely do away with that system - Kerrigan was devestating at 11 and Kelly (one of my favourite footballers) was thriving in the half-back line.

Anyway I don't think Cork have looked like a championship winning side since Miskella retired but that's just me.

HighKing33 wrote: »

I honestly think you're failing to appreciate just how damaging psychologically a defeat to this Dublin team can be. They often looked like pros playing amatuers. Cork were not too far away from beating Mayo and making a semi-final appearance which is a lot more than you can say for teams like Derry or Meath so yes that is a recovery.

In hindsight Cuthbert was naive to suggest that dualism could work but that issue was going to come to a head anyway. Cahalane was already established as a starter with the hurlers but yes it must be frustrating because he looks a natural footballer. Cork played some super stuff in the league last year and I felt it was rash to completely do away with that system - Kerrigan was devestating at 11 and Kelly (one of my favourite footballers) was thriving in the half-back line.

Anyway I don't think Cork have looked like a championship winning side since Miskella retired but that's just me.

You keep going off in a tangent regards derry and meath

Let's keep this in perspective and keep the line of debate in a direct correlation to what happened.
Derry with respect are just a team suited to league football,physical,brace,committed but no pace no appreciation spatial awareness and have been pretty dire underage recently.

As for meath I have Huge respect for what they achieved under Boylan and here many times said I'm fan and rate mick o dowd.

Meath however were a division two team missing Wallace and others so had a huge ask to be honest.
Don't care compare meath to cork

Cork had around seven senior all Ireland medal winners with a core of u21 all ireland medal winners, plus colm o neills, Brian hurley, Goulding, Donnach o connor,Kerrial etc meath didn't come close forwards wise

Cork have been a top four team for the last few years so expectation a perfectly realistic one was we would remain one and at least be competitive at home to kerry

Cork unlike meath and derry had no excuses and much greater resources with The squad and at least three all stars none of meath and derry you frequently keep reference to when your with respect comparing apples and oranges.

Whatever meath and derry didn't do means nothing to cork fans.
If it was top four teams yes but there not.

Again explain how did cork run mayo close???

Go through game in detail if you want cork were miles off and your for whatever reaso choosing to ignore mayo as said by ed coughlan let cork in to the game.

Cork didn't meet dublin again should beaten kerry in terms cork had greater recourses and the Gooch was out

What happened cork v tipp

This was a cork team with serious experience devoid of leadership why so.
Leadership comes from a manager

You fail to be appreciate the league and I said it then was a false dawn, the much vaunted derry you keep harping on about were unlucky to loose to cork in cork by a point,cork struggled beat Kildare by a point a poor poor Kildare,drew Tyrone at home, forget bout kerry they had no interest in the game,and mayo and Dublin hammered cork twice in the league

Westmeath were a shambles and such sacked Paul bealin so I'm sorry don't get carried away with that win
One good results was Beating dublin in the group in Croke Park

The picture your trying to paint is flawed and totally inaccurate, just my opinion of course,but having said that my opinion is deeply correlated with facts I see in front of me like many other cork fans.

Both Meath and Derry suffered horrendous defeats by Dublin after showing much early promise (just like Cork), and struggled badly to recover but Cork seem to have done better in that regard. Nothing flawed or inaccurate there, just a point I made.

Sad fact we are going nowhere with Cuthbert in charge .....now as the players are just going to get on with ...we as fans have to hope against hope for the best ...so so sad when you think of the talented players we have.

ShamoBuc

HighKing33 wrote: »

Both Meath and Derry suffered horrendous defeats by Dublin after showing much early promise (just like Cork), and struggled badly to recover but Cork seem to have done better in that regard. Nothing flawed or inaccurate there, just a point I made.

Cork should be challenging for Sam on a consistent basis whereas Meath and Derry realistically aren't.
Cuthbert is a joke of a manager!
End of story.

HighKing33 wrote: »

Both Meath and Derry suffered horrendous defeats by Dublin after showing much early promise (just like Cork), and struggled badly to recover but Cork seem to have done better in that regard. Nothing flawed or inaccurate there, just a point I made.

But it's been clearly illustrated derry and meath recourses are way off cork

If you want me to go through every panel members of three teams I can illustrate that

Mentioning derry and meath lack recovery means they had problems doesn't mean it's cork reason to accept failure

Cork need look after themselves only ones I compare to are elite dublin and kerry, meath and derry have nothing to say we can use that as examples

Would man utd gain solace in been beaten four nil by Chelsea just West Bromwich suffered same feat

Would kilkenny have a merry dance if they Lost to wexford just because offaly done like wise if it unlikely happened.

Cork football the day it becomes that is absolutely finished.
Let's keep it real, cork must expected more, not say ah well we okay as derry and meath didn't recover.
What utter utter nonense imo.

wackokid

Well explained TTM, Cork Double and Shambuk, but youz are wasting your time. A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still, and I'm afraid HighKing is that person.
Absolutely no understanding of the real picture as explained by TTM, and like the guy he's trying to defend, is unlikely now to change tack.
For anybody with a modicum of gaelic football savy, the evidence available v Tipp, Kerry, Sligo and Mayo all points in the same direction.
A rudderless ship, listing towards the rocks, with little chance of competing at the top level while this management group are at the helm. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise and I for one will be very surprised if anything changes. I hope like hell to be proved wrong.

jimpump

Bring back stetanta and yous wil be flyin!

wackokid wrote: »

Well explained TTM, Cork Double and Shambuk, but youz are wasting your time. A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still, and I'm afraid HighKing is that person.
Absolutely no understanding of the real picture as explained by TTM, and like the guy he's trying to defend, is unlikely now to change tack.
For anybody with a modicum of gaelic football savy, the evidence available v Tipp, Kerry, Sligo and Mayo all points in the same direction.
A rudderless ship, listing towards the rocks, with little chance of competing at the top level while this management group are at the helm. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise and I for one will be very surprised if anything changes. I hope like hell to be proved wrong.

Superb to see realism alive and well