farmerjj wrote: » Whats so great about starbucks? Just another coffee shop I think
munchkin_utd wrote: » no, its another coffee shop that charges double the price for writing your name wrongly on a paper cup.
kaerobe wrote: » Not much complaining when a new costa or gloria jeans opens up. People like to shop around, starbucks is a big name. Let them be happy that one is coming. For most people who dont live near a starbucks (or any big chain like McDonalds) its often one of their port of calls when visiting somewhere that does have one (bigger towns, airports, cities etc). Stop moaning. New jobs, another vacant spot filled. All round good news.
feargale wrote: » And little or no tax paid to this or any state. Starbucks are notorious on this front. Moan away. Encouraging such tax bums is shortsighted,
pwurple wrote: » The employees are paying PAYE, USC, PRSI instead of claiming the dole though. Corporation tax here is a token pittance, with plenty of ways of avoiding it. That's kinda the point, to bring employers in, and then have the employees pay boatloads of tax.
pwurple wrote: » I know what you mean, but there seems to be no end to the amount of coffee people will drink! Are coffee shops closing around here because a starbucks opened? Are we in the plot of that Meg Ryan film "You've got Mail"? I read an article years ago about the differences in business thinking between east and west... something along the lines of if an eastern business person sees a shoe shop doing well on a street, he'll open a shoe shop on the same street, because there's obviously a market, and if they can do well, why not me. Whereas western business people tend to think more along the lines of... that demand is being taken care of with that shop, so I need to open something different entirely. Existing coffee business is not finite, it seems to be growing. The more the merrier!
who_me wrote: » In the case of Starbucks, they have a reputation - whether deserved or not - of deliberately saturating the market in order to crowd out the existing cafes, then shutting down the extra stores once the competition is gone. Personally I don't large chains and prefer smaller, more diverse and locally owned stores; but I guess variety is good.
kaerobe wrote: » I get that point, but how many Costas (MQ, Douglas, Blackpool, Opera House) or Gloria Jeans (Savoy, Douglas, Patricks St) are there in Cork City? People complain when we currently have 1 Starbucks? No one complains when these other MASSIVE companies open another branch. Cork has lots of great coffee places, like ORSO, Roasters, The Bookshelf. Starbucks is just another place to go when the urge calls. Its not for everyone but it adds to choice. More jobs too.
calnand wrote: » The starbucks in mahon is extremely handy if you're meeting someone after 6 o'clock, with it being open till 10pm everyday. And once you don't get the frappaccino's and all those other sugary drinks with coffee, the coffee isnt that bad.
Andip wrote: » If a new clothing store opens in Mahon, I don't see people complaining, quite the opposite, so why are people up in arms about a new coffee shop ?
Andip wrote: » Couldn't agree more - it's all about choice, my personal choice is that I actually prefer Starbucks because I like their coffee and that's my own personal opinion. Tesco sell umpteen brands of instant coffee because people have a personal preference between brands. If a new clothing store opens in Mahon, I don't see people complaining, quite the opposite, so why are people up in arms about a new coffee shop ? As for the tax hoo haa, it provides jobs & I wouldn't mind betting that many of those who complain about tax evasion are viewing on Apple products
JohnK wrote: » They're open in Mahon Point now
calnand wrote: » I doubt it's the shopping centre, was only there Sunday and everything was still in boxes.
calnand wrote: » Ok that has to be the fastest fit out of a shop in have ever seen.
Andip wrote: » Starbucks in Mahon Point was open today, interesting to see if BB's gets less busy. Last few times I've tried to get a table at BB's since they been down to the one outlet I've given up and gone to the other coffee shop downstairs.
run_Forrest_run wrote: » It's good for the place, the quality of the coffee in the shopping centre was poor apart from the smoothie place which serves Cork Coffee Roasters coffee. Places like BBs and O'Brien's could do with a kick up the arse anyway.
KCAccidental wrote: » In Starbucks case, they are pretty infamous for their use of 'zero hour contracts'. Employees only get a minimum number of hours week with no benefits or sick pay holiday pay etc. Also a majority of the workers will be doing no more than 15 to 20 hours at minimum wage, which means they will pay no income tax and also claim SW allowance for days they aren't working. So the argument that taxes paid by workers negates the lack of corporation tax doesn't really hold water.
rebs23 wrote: » In reality zero hours contracts do not happen as you have to be paid for a minimum of 15 hours per week. So the law in Ireland does not allow for zero hours contracts.
