City council chief executive Owen Keegan ....said restricting the road space available to cars was essential as part of a sustainable transport system in the city.
The ultimate goal is to increase the number of commuter journeys by bike from 4 per cent to 10 per cent by 2020. He maintained that the imperative to reduce car journeys into the city would increase once the cross-city Luas linking the red and green lines opens. “We can’t give that road space to Luas and leave everything else as it is.
TheQuietFella wrote: » If they cycle anything like our cyclists on the roads particularly the Dublin Quays, I can see us heading in the same direction.
CramCycle wrote: » If the behaviour of road users in Ireland is a measuring stick of suitability to using the roads, all that proves is that the current licensing system is a failure. The basics of driving that are abandoned on a daily basis, that people would have had to show their capability at during a test, are abandoned with glee apparently. Licensing cyclists won't solve that. In fact, at best it will just create another Quango with no purpose. If the Government invested their money into Gardai numbers, and cameras, who could then plough those numbers and equipment into basic law enforcement, then there would be significantly less issues.
end of the road wrote: » sadly some cyclists miss behave, and sweeping that under the carpet and pretending cyclists don't break rules isn't going to end well. so we will have to make it law for every bike to have a number plate so they can easily be dealt with if they break the rules.
end of the road wrote: » ...We will have to make it law for every bike to have a number plate so they can easily be dealt with if they break the rules.
Aard wrote: » No different than fining somebody on the Luas really is it? Except nobody's gonna bald-faced lie about their name and address to a Garda.
beauf wrote: » 5 cops in the one spot, stopping cyclists. A lot of resources. They have no number plates though. How do they manage?
CramCycle wrote: » They might but Gardai have experience with this and if they suspect (doesn't have to be true) they can sieze the bicycle and potentially detain the person as well.
Although it is not compulsory to carry a proof of identity at all times, since 1 January 2005 it is compulsory to show identification, when an authorized officer asks for it, from the age of 14. An authorized officer can only do so under certain circumstances. Such circumstances include suspicious behaviour, committing any offense, or if a person is interviewed as a witness of a crime. Identity checks at events where the public order may be in danger are also allowed. Otherwise random identity checks by the police are not allowed in principle but can happen in certain areas such as a train station or doubtful areas i.e. redlight district, and a fine for not showing proof of identity may be successfully challenged in such cases. The fine for not being able to show proof of identity when legally required is €60.- (16 and over) or €30.- (14 or 15). Proof of identity is also required when opening a bank account and when entering an employment contract.[14]
beauf wrote: » Maybe require all drivers and cyclists to carry their PPS on them at all times. If identity is a problem. Or maybe change the rules like Paris did allowing cyclist to go through a red light where appropriate.
Macy0161 wrote: » Was unsure whether to mention the cops blocking the cycle lane so they could pull cars for driving in the bus lane, and then parking them in the cycle lane to ticket them this morning!
RainyDay wrote: » What percentage of law-breaking car drivers 'are easily dealt with if they break the law'? You know, the 2 or 3 or 4 cars who speed through the junction after the red, or the ones on their phone calling or Facebooking, or hell, even the ones with a missing brake light? What percentage of them get caught?
Spook_ie wrote: » %wise, in all likely hood more than the cyclists, purely because there is a penalty system in operation and offenders can be traced via registration numbers.[/url]
RainyDay wrote: » Perhaps not surprisingly, you're looking at only one side of the issue. You fail to look at the number of offences committed by drivers. How many times did you break the urban speed limit today? How many orange or even red lights did you go through? How many times did you have your phone in your hand? Now add it all up and multiply it out, and see how useless the licencing system is at preventing breaches of road traffic law. And btw, cyclists do get prosecuted - thousands of them; http://irishcycle.com/2014/10/07/3200-irish-cyclists-summoned-to-court-in-ten-years/
Spook_ie wrote: » Sure some drivers get away with it but then so do some murderers, drug dealers, burglars, rapists, cyclists etc. The GS can't be everywhere all the time.
Spook_ie wrote: » Oh yeah thats what 0.87 a day! Probably spot that many in 5 minutes at one set of lights if I was inclined, so you do the math instead
Spook_ie wrote: » As to the number of times I broke the laws, very presumptious of you to infer that I broke any laws today or any day for that matter
RainyDay wrote: » Yes, I think perhaps I should do the maths rather than you doing the maths, because you seem to be struggling at some of the basics there. Are you seriously telling me that you didn't break the urban speed limit today? If yes, you are a very unusual driver and an absolutely unique taxi driver.
– Over 350 brought to court for cycling by red lights last year in Dublin alone Over 3,200 people were summoned to Irish courts for cycling road traffic offences between 2003 and 2013.
Spook_ie wrote: » Perhaps you'd like to do the math then, from your link 3200 cyclists in 10 years, my math makes that 320 per year 3200/10 Divide that by 365 320/365 = 0.87 per day From the article itself So lets see 350/365 is still only 0.95 per day
Spook_ie wrote: » Again very presumptious of you to reckon I break any motoring laws as a taxi driver or otherwise
RainyDay wrote: » Are you seriously telling me that you didn't break the urban speed limit today? If yes, you are a very unusual driver and an absolutely unique taxi driver.
