yipeeeee wrote: » Now tell me 750,000 people in this country experience this?
ROCKMAN wrote: » Nice deflection :eek: And the rest of my post???
yipeeeee wrote: » Once again United Nations: Fundamentally, poverty is the inability of getting choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity. It means lack of basic capacity to participate effectively in society. It means not having enough to feed and clothe a family, not having a school or clinic to go to, not having the land on which to grow one’s food or a job to earn one’s living, not having access to credit. It means insecurity, powerlessness and exclusion of individuals, households and communities. It means susceptibility to violence, and it often implies living in marginal or fragile environments, without access to clean water or sanitation.[9] Now tell me 750,000 people in this country experience this?
geeksauce wrote: » I clearly acknowledge that poverty in Ireland does exist just not on a large scale.
Quote: No but there is Irish poverty and then there is actual poverty.
Lucy and Harry wrote: » More than one in four children have been left on or below the poverty line since the economy crashed, according to an international study on the impact of the recession. Child poverty rates jumped from 18% to 28.6% between 2008 and 2012 — an increase of 130,000 that brought the number of children living in hardship here to 350,000. That puts Ireland in 37th place out of 41 developed countries ranked by Unicef according to how well they’ve managed to insulate children from the impact of the global economic crisis. According to Unicef, median Irish family income has regressed 10 years.
DamagedTrax wrote: » firstly thanks for not trying to play down his PA, that kinda bs does nothing to help this discussion on either side. onto your question - do you think he wouldnt be chased out of certain areas for claiming it? i dont know who'd he'd have to run faster than, aul ones with rolling pins or a forgotten portion of the youth of the country. i certainly wouldnt do it but that would be more out of a respect for humanity than fear.
Lucy and Harry wrote: » Well now you have been proven wrong about poverty you can admit you are wrong.Also your posts seem to be mocking poor people. You have been quoted as saying ''real poverty does not exist'' but it does and you were wrong and have been proven wrong. Do you think turning water down on these poor people that you know admit exist will help their situation.Are you going to actually answer a question or just dodge things.
geeksauce wrote: » Ok I will try again seeing as you are now making another unsubstantiated claim, (seriously why do you keep doing it). Can you please quote a post where I denied that people go to bed hungry. Seriously please quote it or stop making stuff up.
No but there is Irish poverty and then there is actual poverty. Irish poverty being people moaning about not being able to afford water charges while sitting at home watching sky and spending all day updating facebook on their iPads, then taking a break from it all and heading off to Spain for two weeks of the year, their biggest worry being what will happen their SW payments if they aren't in the country to sign for them.
Lucy and Harry wrote: » You said real poverty does not exist in IRELAND.You have been quoted as saying this.Now if that is true and real poverty does not exist as you claimed then people are not going to bed hungry in Ireland as that would be real poverty. Real poverty exists in Ireland and that is people going to bed hungry.You claim real poverty in Ireland is people not having sky tv and Spanish holidays.I think you have been caught out and people can see it.
DamagedTrax wrote: » i may have missed an earlier post. who claimed this number or where does it come from?
geeksauce wrote: » The rest of it? you mean the part where you highlighted a couple of my posts, me saying poverty in Ireland does not exist on a large scale and then another of my posts where I asked for some evidence that showed me saying poverty in Ireland does not exist. I thought you were supporting my claim that I didn't say poverty in Ireland doesn't exist as you highlighted a post where I clearly acknowledge that poverty in Ireland does exist just not on a large scale.
yipeeeee wrote: » From few pages back. Authors of Social Justice report question Irish government’s commitment to equality. Photo by: Getty A new survey shows that 750,000 people in Ireland live in poverty – an increase of 120,000 since the collapse of the Celtic Tiger.
geeksauce wrote: » Where did I say real poverty does not exist? You can quote the post where I said it thanks. Also, you can quote the post where I denied people go to bed hungry, thanks. I don't think I ever mentioned anything about people going to bed hungry, well not until you claimed I did and I asked you to show me where I made this claim.
Any chance of seeing something to back up your lies
Little CuChulainn wrote: » I think you and I have a different opinion of who is in poverty. You look at the rougher areas and you probably see them as living in poverty. In actual fact they likely have more in the way of local services and facilities as well as luxury items than you or I. The real people struggling on the poverty line tend to be decent folk who wouldn't stoop to violence because of something so minor.
Lucy and Harry wrote: » and you deny these people live in Poverty.You know better than a survey made by experts.Do you think cutting water to a trickle will help poor people?
More than 750,000 people are living in poverty in Ireland, including 220,000 children and 68,740 pensioners — with the gap between the poorest and richest increasing since the recession began. Latest details from the CSO show that in 2012, the most up-to-date figures available, 756,591 people were living in poverty in Ireland. The rate includes 68,740 people over the age of 65 and 220,411 under the age of 18, highlighting the wide-reaching impact of a half-a-decade long recession on the population. Between 2007 and 2012, the number of Irish people living in “consistent poverty” almost doubled, from 4.2% of the population to 7.7%. Those experiencing two or more forms of “enforced deprivation” almost trebled during the same era, from 11% to 27%. The “poverty” and “deprivation” figures are based on a series of daily problems including: * The number of people who went without heating at some stage in the past 12 months (6% in 2007, 12.9% in 2012); * The number unable to afford new clothes (5.2% in 2007, 10.4% in 2012); * The number unable to eat a meal with meat, chicken or fish every second day (2.2% in 2007, 3.9% in 2012); * Those unable to afford to replace worn-out furniture (13.8% in 2007, 24.5% in 2012). The CSO files also show that in the same period, the gap between the richest and poorest 20% of the population increased by more than 11%. Meanwhile, the CSO show that 6% of people working in 2012 were still living in poverty, and that half of people living in below average private rented accommodation are at risk of poverty. Social Protection Minister Joan Burton said the report highlights the “critical importance” of the social welfare “safety net” — namely jobseeker allowance, child benefit and State pension payments — in “protecting people against poverty”. However, Social Justice Ireland director, Dr Sean Healy, said the figures are damning reading for all parties which have been in power since the recession began. * The full CSO Survey on Income and Living Conditions report can be read at the link provided.
Lucy and Harry wrote: » I keep quoting you but you pretend not to see it.How strange. Can you see this quote?DO I NEED TO USE LARGER FONTS?You are saying Irish poverty is not real poverty.That is implying it does not exist as real poverty.You say real poverty does not exit well it does and is not people who cant go to Spain as you insultingly make out.It is people going to bed hungry.Now answer do you think IW cutting their water will help ease the suffering of these people. what lies.It seems that I am doing all you ask but you still have not answered do you think IW will help these people who are poor by cutting off their water.I posted you saying REAL poverty does not exist in Ireland.All can see it.They can make up their own minds.You are looking unable to debate .
ROCKMAN wrote: » Am I reading this right you are actually painting everyone from a disadvantage /rougher area with the same brush and stating they are better off with all mod cons etc etc,
ROCKMAN wrote: » Also will you clear up our views on decent folk because your post seems to state that they would not be found in these areas.
Lucy and Harry wrote: » YIPEEEE The EU is SAYING IT AND AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL ARE THEY OWNED BY MARY LOU.https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fireland%2F750000-are-now-living-in-poverty-265582.html&ei=DhFaVP_1LaiV7AaCyYHYCA&usg=AFQjCNF2yR_gKmZpwXsLUB0uSpja-ISznA&sig2=jqdf-_OboHOfSgUAF30CEA&bvm=bv.78677474,d.ZGU here is the Irish Examiner paper they are saying it.Are they owned by Mary Lou>?
Decent folk who are genuinely struggling can be found anywhere in the country and some of them will be unfortunate enough to have to live amongst the other people mentioned above.
Valetta wrote: » There are plenty of people in Ireland living in poverty. However, for the most part it is a lifestyle choice. Ireland's social welfare structures and levels of payment are such that nobody needs to exist in poverty. Unfortunatley the government do not control how social payments are spent.
yipeeeee wrote: » Figures just plucked out of a few surveys.
Lucy and Harry wrote: » Maybe we should believe you over experts.What qualifications do you have maybe you could make a survey yourself??Can you tell me do you think IW cutting off water to a trickle will help the poor people.
yipeeeee wrote: » Ok so reading that the way they have worked it out is, if you can't afford new clothes or furniture at some stage then you are in poverty????? Are you kidding me???? It then says the actual figure for poverty on a daily basis is 4%. So not the 25% you claimed. That report is laughable.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » Pick a rough area and investigate the local services available to it. You'll find that there are a lot. If poverty is described as a lack of choice or option then the majority of people in these areas do not fall into it for any other reason than choice. Decent folk who are genuinely struggling can be found anywhere in the country and some of them will be unfortunate enough to have to live amongst the other people mentioned above.
yipeeeee wrote: » And tell me how they came to this even 750,000. Did they visit each home in Ireland and spend time with each family and notice them going to bed hungry. Stop would ya. Figures just plucked out of a few surveys.
