twowheelsgood wrote: » How is the non-banking part of the debt Europe's?
DamagedTrax wrote: » not in the last 7 years. and even then it was a current account for my wages alone (which i'd have preffered not to have had to use). money went in friday morning, money was taken out friday afternoon. like i said. i have no debt (aside from a tenner i owe my mate since the weekend).
twowheelsgood wrote: » You can argue that the 64 billion bank portion is not yours (or mine). The rest very much is. Unless you can point out that during the boom you received no PS wage rise, to tax cuts, no SSIA money, no welfare payment increase etc. etc.
listermint wrote: » You Partied. Partied like a lunatic. I bet you have a belt too. nigh on time you used it.
Barely There wrote: » Since the implosion of the PD's there is literally no socially liberal, fiscally responsible party for people who are sick of the FF/FG duopoly, suspicious of Labour's ties with their trade Union buddies, horrified at the thoughts of the Shinners ever getting within an ass's roar of power, and utterly appalled at the conglomerate of loony hard-left nincompoop's banging the anti-austerity drum. I'm convinced there is a huge appetite for such a party, but I think that the people most in favour are too busy working and paying their taxes to actually keep the show in the road to be able to set something up.
DamagedTrax wrote: » you reckon? please tell me about my partying in detail or retract the statement please.
listermint wrote: » You know i didnt say that
listermint wrote: » This is Europes Debt, and Europe (germany) will have to address it.
listermint wrote: » It was a jolly damage.
listermint wrote: » Whats next the twowheels, what do we privatise next ?
mzungu wrote: » http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-rules-out-referendum-to-halt-sale-of-irish-water-649762.html Good man Enda, not even entertaining the idea of a referendum :rolleyes:
Caliden wrote: » Stop trying to compare apples to oranges. They may have water charges but other charges like motor tax are minuscule. If they are going to introduce a model like that then adjust other areas where there is heavy tax. Until then, there's zero point in saying other countries charge for water so we should too!
Tanaiste Joan Burton tells Dail that family of 2 parents & 2 young adults will pay less than €200 in #watercharges More on #sixone newshttps://twitter.com/bryansixone/status/529675447433719808
Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins said the Government is "dazed, punch-drunk and panic stricken" and is climbing from crutch to crutch to save "their political hides". He said: "There is an uprising of working class people that you don't see... Get real, abolish the water charges."
Lucy and Harry wrote: » they can raise the cost when ever they want.They will suck the people dry.
DamagedTrax wrote: » maybe for you. i was early 20's with a kid, working my arse off to pay rent in a place that i could bring a child up in. if by partying you mean a few weekends on the piss then yea, you're bang on. but there was no property bubble for me. there was no flash cars, no swimming pool in my back garden. i just got on with trying to get a few quid together for a small holiday every 2 or 3 years while saving up to try to get a college education in an industry our government didnt provide a 'free' education for. jolly, it was not.
papu wrote: » Motor tax is a system based on the size and emissions of the engine. A Polluter(consumer pays) model. Lets say I dont own a car. Lets say I dont earn enough to pay tax. But i take baths every second day , and offer to wash all my neighbours cars for free . Hows it feel paying for my water? This a fair way to do things?
listermint wrote: » no i was joking from the start. Read my post but in a sarcastic way 'you partied' etc sarcastically.
I think the author has managed to either ignore or completely misunderstand the root cause of public disengagement with national and local politics and what is finally driving the public to march in protest. There is no significant difference in ‘political ideology’ between Dail parties. They are all more or less the same. All, when judged by their actions rather than their utterances, are broadly content with the permanent government and uninterested in change. This despite the daily evidence of incompetence, waste, blatant cronyism, lying and empire-building by many parts of that permanent government and the party system that fronts it. The underlying unprincipled behaviour, addiction to spin, refusal to deal with unpalatable truths and opacity has finally become unacceptable. There are no easy answers to this development. The state’s permanent government is so thoroughly politicised, detached from principle and subject to political influence that it is essentially unreformable. The Irish Water quango formation exemplified all that is unacceptable to the taxpayer but apparently impossible for the state to clearly understand. Legions of underutilised bureaucrats transferred into an enormous secretive quango, led by a board with a revolving door to the political parties. Endemically overpaid staff. Operational policy made up on the hoof. Customer service ranging from the functional to the awful. No apparent focus on water network renewal. A CEO with less than impressive track record in delivering value for money who seems to consider extensive political interference with his role as chief planner, visionary and custodian of the assets to be acceptable.
listermint wrote: » had to quote this comment from that irish times article its fairly spot on
Banjo String wrote: » All's needed now for the Govt to disintegrate is for them to get Revenue involved. **crosses fingers**
Creative Juices wrote: » Absolutely spot on. Have you a link to the article?
FionnK86 wrote: » Just read that Laura McGonigle received death threats over her comments about protesters drinking water. Protesting against water charges is fair enough, but there is no need to threaten someone's life over a bad comment on a social media site. Water Charges and the debate around it is serious, but the Sh!ts who threaten someone's life give the protesters a bad name.http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/overwhelmed-cork-councillor-gets-death-threats-over-comments-649770.html
Going Forward wrote: » The SW recipient will pay for cheaper water, subsidised by the PAYE worker which totally skews any broadening of the tax base nonsense as it does for conservation or incentivising paid employment. I've said this twice already and not one response or challenge.
DamagedTrax wrote: » Firstly i am 100% against this charge as it stands. But im a bit confused as to why you think that a progressive model should not be employed? why charge the lowest income at the same rate as the highest earner?
Larbre34 wrote: » Looking at the news there, I think it's very appropriate that Minister Alan Kelly and John Tierney's photocall today should take place above a massive tank of foaming sh1te, for that is the world which they inhabit.
