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Augmerson

Satriale wrote: »

I went to Limerick yesterday, great atmosphere despite the rain lashing down.
FG, when you see people going out in weather like that, you are in big fcukin trouble.

Everybody seemed to be respectable, well mannered /dressed. Nobody drinking flagons of cider/ abusing the Gardai.
I asked a few people to come two did (both working) two didnt (both on the dole, "Waste of time" and "Er, no thanks")

My only issue was a couple of Fwords that slipped out in the speeches, there were kids present, but i dont think they did any permanent damage!

FWIW, I measured the area in Bedford Row on Bing and worked out that there were between 3000-3500 people in the crowd.

Cant wait for the next one!!

I was in Portlaoise. It was just ordinary people, the kind you meet on the street or in the shops, of all ages, all walks of life. Been trying to guesstimate the crowd, maybe 4,000 or more. There was a speech towards the end and they said another march would take place on December 6th. I could see a lot of people mentally chalk that date down.

There was a certain element of restoring some dignity yesterday, after years of being seen to meekly accepting the bull****. You could see it for some people, and even with the rain it didn't hold them back.

Rightwing

pc7 wrote: »

If the quangos and waste were addressed along with the above we wouldn't need to pay more.

Really? Let's have a look and see if you are right. (Answer is self explanatory)List of Quangos:

In 2012, there are 732 Quangos
Irish Quangos
Advisory Board for Irish Aid

Advisory Committee for Human Medicine
Advisory Council for English Language Schools
Advisory Committee for Medical Devices
Advisory Council to the Commission for Taxi Regulation
Advisory Science Council
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An Bord Bia
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Ardee Town Council
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Army Pensions Board
Arts Council, The
Athlone Town Council
Athy Town Council
Athlone Education Support Centre
Athlone Institute of Technology
Attorney General, Office of the
Balbriggan Town Council
Ballina Town Council
Ballinasloe Town Council
Baltimore and Skibbereen Harbour Commissioners
Ballybay Town Council
Ballyshannon Town Council
Bandon Town Council
Bantry Bay Harbour Commissioners
Bantry Town Council
Beaumont Hospital Board
Belturbet Town Council
Birr Town Council
Blanchardstown IT
Blackrock Education Support Centre
Board of the Adelaide and Meath Hospital
Board of the Commissioners for Charitable Donations

Board of Trinity College
Board for the Employment of the Blind

Bookmakers appeals committee
Boyle Town Council
Bray Town Council
Buncrana Town Council
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Castlerea Prison Visiting Committee
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Chester Beatty Library
Chief Medical Officer of the Civil Service
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Children Acts Advisory Board
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Minister Batt O’Keeffe reappointed Kevin Duffy as Chairman in November
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Registration of Titles Rules Committee
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RELAY
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lads)
River Moy Commissioners
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Roscommon County Council
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Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland
Royal Irish Academy
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Royal Victoria Eye and Ear Hospital (Board?)
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Teagasc
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heritage tea party)
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In Lonesome Dove

Banjo String wrote: »

What I reckon could happen, with the latest polls showing only 2 out of five (40%) intending to pay any water charges.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/water/nations-reaction/open-revolt-shock-poll-reveals-coalition-in-meltdown-30710576.html
There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that Irish Water can continue in its current form, without revenues coming in, it will have to fall.

If that happens, and with all the cash wasted on its creation, expect a serious backlash from within FG and Labour.

Enda revealed yesterday what we all knew.

Irish Water was never about improving water quality, infrastructure, or conserving water.

With his "raise income tax by 4%" threat, he showed his true colours. The Govt want another Revenue stream. Pure and simple.

This is it. I saw these water charges for day one for what it was - a money raising exercise to bridge the deficit. The country has a deficit as in there's not enough money between income and expenditure. In the not so recent past we saw cutbacks like for example in the HSE to which theatres closed as a result, for one example. Yet, the government were able to find millions of euro to set up this IW company. At a time when we saw social welfare dropped for youngsters. Working schemes set up for the unemployed with nany people doing a full working week for their 100, 140, 188 euro dole, topped up by 50. We saw that the government were able to find 100s of thousands to pay out in the form of pay packs and bonuses.

I would have been able for a flat fee from the council rather than seeing the IW company which is a smack in the face for so many people taking us all for mugs and making an absolute mockery out from us.

In Lonesome Dove

Satriale wrote: »

I went to Limerick yesterday, great atmosphere despite the rain lashing down.
FG, when you see people going out in weather like that, you are in big fcukin trouble.

Everybody seemed to be respectable, well mannered /dressed. Nobody drinking flagons of cider/ abusing the Gardai.
I asked a few people to come two did (both working) two didnt (both on the dole, "Waste of time" and "Er, no thanks")

My only issue was a couple of Fwords that slipped out in the speeches, there were kids present, but i dont think they did any permanent damage!

FWIW, I measured the area in Bedford Row on Bing and worked out that there were between 3000-3500 people in the crowd.

Cant wait for the next one!!

I woke up yesterday morning and it was wet, cold and windy. I almost didn't go into my local protest. I attended some protests down through the years, the last before this water protest being about the Anglo tapes and I'd turn up to a protest with no more than a few hundred. It was great to see thousands out yesterday in spite of the cold rain and wind.

FixdePitchmark

I'm for water charges - and I think most reasonable people understand that this major serious project is needed.

But - the more this has gone on , the more you actually feel , you know what, the government deserve this mess.

It has just been handled wrong.

But project is needed - conservation is needed.

A nominal fee should have been the introductory fee - get people responsible for water. Increase water charge for irresponsible water use. The remainder of the project should have been considered a long term project, with cost spread into future - too fast, too ambitious , also not reasonable to expect 1.6 million households to pay for a 100 year problem - in such a short time .

The single controlling body was needed - but this should have been set up , with good work practices and not linked to the work practices to an existing state body.

But - the job needs to be done. The water system and in particular sewerage system, with raw sewage going into rivers etc. Is a national embarrassment.

We need to take control of what the Victorians basically built for us.

But the government has been over ambitious , and an ill timed over aggressive approach to this.

They absolutely could have brought the population with them on this - it is a great infrastructural project and we haven't done anything like it in 80 years.

Cantona's Collars

Some of the groups on that list above seem to be just makey-up.It's as if somebody in power decided to set up a board/group to give jobs to the boys.
They really do look after their own & we get the joy of paying for it all.:mad:

Lucy and Harry

Augmerson wrote: »

They'll have to hire a third party to turn your water down. Apparently the councils won't do it.

Can they turn mine down without effecting neighbours though,is it possible.If they turn it down then they cant ask for cash then??I do not trust this company with my familys pps numbers they could send them onto other people or may not be secure in keeping my personal data on file.

conservation is needed.

Indeed it is but this sham has nothing to do with conserving water.If we use less water you would think we would get charged less and conserve water but no they will charge you higher as they need profits for their company.It is about making profit from a national resource for a foreign company and paying back the banking loans and doing what the IMF says we need to do.

it is a great infrastructural project and we haven't done anything like it in 80 years.

No pipes have been fixed it is not about infrastructure the cash made is going on bonus for the top dogs and also cash will be going to pay back the IMF who own us still.No cash is going on some great infrastructure project that will solve leaking pipes.

FixdePitchmark

Pat Rabbite on Radio now - the government still not getting it.

Pat - very able person , but the last thing they needed to send out on this.

Also Labour - need to get with the people on this.
"Yes we are doing it - but in a softer better way "

Lucy and Harry

Irish Water is facing fresh controversy this morning after it was revealed how much it plans to charge households to fix a leak.
It comes as several senior members of Government are said to be hoping to change the company's CEO and board in an effort to defuse the growing public opposition to the charges.
Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.
The Sunday Times reports that this fee covers any problem detected after the first fix, which will be free.
The company has also sought permission to charge a minimum call-out fee for working out of office hours of €282 for the first hour and €141 for any additional hour.
It is also believed to be seeking approval from the Commission for Energy Regulation to introduce a range of other charges - including a €220 fee to test water pressure, and a €17 fee for a special meter reading.

Good luck paying these fees as this is what you will be getting in animal farm banana republic.

66ad

[QUOTE=is it possible.If they turn it down then they cant ask for cash then?? [/QUOTE]

This is what i was thinking, they can't put you in jail for non payment of a utility bill but can if you go to court get a fin for non payment and not pay that.

If they can turn your pressusre down, surly they can't seek payment hence no fine and no jail time.

renegademaster

Remember remember the 5th of November, lets show Denis O Brien we're going to take down all his business interests until he disbands Irish Water and return the money he owes us!! Fresh from todays successful protest, the biggest in a very long time in Gaillimh, we should strike while the iron's hot and put them under more pressure asap. Lots of us live near a topaz and could drop down for an hour or 2 to show support. the station I know that are company owned are on College Road, Bohermore roundabout, Newcastle. Those driving could park their cars on the forecourts and join the picket line, we've got shelter from the rain if we need it and bottomless coffee on Denis

https://www.facebook.com/events/1493991254196540/?ref=2&ref_dashboard_filter=upcoming

Lucy and Harry

It may be like the TV licence fee.If you have a tap you get fined if you do not pay.I just hope they do not tax air next.
If nobody pays this company will not be able to run and pay wages to people to turn things off.All this talk of bonuses they want to give each other will be fubar if they have no cash coming in and will have to close the doors for business.

near a topaz

I will boycott them now.

Augmerson

On those quangos posted by Rightwing:

Dublin Docklands Development Authority ???
Dublin Docklands Development Council ???

FÁS (understandable, next one is wtf)
FÁS International Consulting Limited ???

Financial Regulator*
Financial Services Ombudsman’s Bureau
Financial Services Authority of Ireland*
Financial Services Consultative Consumer Panel
Financial Services Consultative Industry Panel
Financial Services Ombudsman Council
Financial Services Appeals Tribunal
Financial Services Regulatory Body*

These are all the same I think? But the rest, apart from maybe Ombudsman, should be part of the Regulatory Body no?

Food Safety Authority of Ireland
Food Safety Consultative Council
Food Safety Promotion Board
Safefood
Scientific Committee of the Food Safety Authority

These are all doing pretty much the same job?

Hunger Task Force ???

Integrated Ticketing Project Board <---- busy lads
Investor Compensation Company ????
Ireland Newfoundland Partnership Board ????
Irish-American Economics Advisory Board ???

yipeeeee

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Irish Water is facing fresh controversy this morning after it was revealed how much it plans to charge households to fix a leak.
It comes as several senior members of Government are said to be hoping to change the company's CEO and board in an effort to defuse the growing public opposition to the charges.
Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.
The Sunday Times reports that this fee covers any problem detected after the first fix, which will be free.
The company has also sought permission to charge a minimum call-out fee for working out of office hours of €282 for the first hour and €141 for any additional hour.
It is also believed to be seeking approval from the Commission for Energy Regulation to introduce a range of other charges - including a €220 fee to test water pressure, and a €17 fee for a special meter reading.

Good luck paying these fees as this is what you will be getting in animal farm banana republic.

Is that for leaks in your Meter?????

Surely people will just get plumbers to do it as a nixer.

FixdePitchmark

Lucy and Harry.

It is the starting phase of the company.

It is the starting phase of the market. Creating a market like that , from a zero base , will take years .

The government will set rules eventually on what payment to them will be based on. The CER will be the body to control this. It will take time to progressive the payment system to make Irish Water work to fix leaks etc. The market system will enable the Irish people to make the company work for them - they can set up penalties for leaks etc.

The more water meters in - the easier it is to see where leaks are. People misunderstand that with good analysis (simple) the more meters - the easier it is to find leaks.

It is a bit glib to say it is about bonuses - there was about 200 bodies looking after water - yes looks like some bad work practices have got in from older bodies.

But the savings will be incredible bringing this into one body.

Lucy and Harry

Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.

Cantona's Collars

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Pat Rabbite on Radio now - the government still not getting it.

Pat - very able person , but the last thing they needed to send out on this.

Also Labour - need to get with the people on this.
"Yes we are doing it - but in a softer better way "

You do realise that the pro-brigade just thanked the first 4 words of this post:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92864312&postcount=8566

They will not agree with the rest of it & now your criticism of Pat Rabbite.

The country was awash with money yet nothing was done to upgrade the water network.The ESB was working 7 days a week upgrading it's network while the money was there,the sensible way of doing things.Now that the population are living from day to day the government decide to add another bill to the list.
IW isn't there to help the people obtain clean drinking water or to campaign for conservation,it's there to make money.If work on upgrades to pipelines is needed in an area,it's still up to LA's to do it.You won't see an IW employee holding a shovel.The simple solution was to provide what was meant to go to LA's from the property tax for these works and forget about setting up a quango who's only remit seems to be tax collection.

yipeeeee

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.

Water leak where?

In your house?

At the Meter?

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Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.

Yes, but how much would/do they pay a local plumber for the same work? If it's on their own property, it's their own decision who they hire. The same with Telecom. They won't come past the connection box without you paying, but an electrician would do the same job for a lot less.

FixdePitchmark

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Irish Water is facing fresh controversy this morning after it was revealed how much it plans to charge households to fix a leak.
It comes as several senior members of Government are said to be hoping to change the company's CEO and board in an effort to defuse the growing public opposition to the charges.
Householders with a suspected water leak are reported to be facing a minimum call-out charge of €188 from Irish Water.
The Sunday Times reports that this fee covers any problem detected after the first fix, which will be free.
The company has also sought permission to charge a minimum call-out fee for working out of office hours of €282 for the first hour and €141 for any additional hour.
It is also believed to be seeking approval from the Commission for Energy Regulation to introduce a range of other charges - including a €220 fee to test water pressure, and a €17 fee for a special meter reading.

Good luck paying these fees as this is what you will be getting in animal farm banana republic.

It is fantastic they are fixing first leak free.

The amount of water and money saved from this will be very large.

Some dude was using a swimming pool of water a week - he got it fixed himself - fair play to him. Again this is treated water - very expensive to make.

deco nate

yipeeeee wrote: »

Is that for leaks in your Meter?????

Surely people will just get plumbers to do it as a nixer.

Why should you, if it's thier fault? Why should you pay anyone as if it's your fault?
Cos they say it's so?
And cos they "say" it's you're fault that's you're (first) "free" fix done for!

VinLieger

My god just saw the comments in yesterday's journal post

http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-water-charges-or-tax-increase-1757747-Nov2014/

The ignorance displayed is astounding, whatever your opinion on IW and how it work's which I agree with that it's disgusting, so many people still cannot grasp the concept that we are fubar if we don't pay for how much water we use and do it FAST

Tony EH

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It wasn't any more. This protest was much smaller than the last. The next one will probably be smaller again.

From what I saw, and I was actually there, there was a lot more than just 10,000 marching. I'd say there was that number alnow walking down the quays.

yipeeeee

deco nate wrote: »

Why should you, if it's thier fault? Why should you pay anyone as if it's your fault?
Cos they say it's so?
And cos they "say" it's you're fault that's you're "free" fix done for!

That's why I'm asking, is it leaks at the meter?

Cantona's Collars

VinLieger wrote: »

My god just saw the comments in yesterday's journal post

http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-water-charges-or-tax-increase-1757747-Nov2014/

The ignorance displayed is astounding, whatever your opinion on IW and how it work's which I agree with that it's disgusting, so many people still cannot grasp the concept that we are fubar if we don't pay for how much water we use and do it FAST

The government got a vast amount of money from the property tax and rather than giving it to councils as was promised they paid bondholders and funded the setting up of IW while only providing a fraction of it for LA's.This money could have been set aside for such projects as replacing old pipes,building new treatment plants but no-it was wasted! Another lie by Enda & Co. "Local Services" me hole!!

tigger123

zerks wrote: »

The government got a vast amount of money from the property tax and rather than giving it to councils as was promised they paid bondholders and funded the setting up of IW while only providing a fraction of it for LA's.This money could have been set aside for such projects as replacing old pipes,building new treatment plants but no-it was wasted! Another lie by Enda & Co. "Local Services" me hole!!

Source?

deco nate

yipeeeee wrote: »

That's why I'm asking, is it leaks at the meter?

From what I have heard, they are blaming it on anything but thier installers, may or may not be true.. Also a lot of people in new ESTATE go thru
1 pipe.. Soo if you are the unlucky one that they pipe up, tuff ****e. Good luck with trying to talk to them about paying for you're neighbours.
Yet another fault with the system.

VinLieger

zerks wrote: »

The government got a vast amount of money from the property tax and rather than giving it to councils as was promised they paid bondholders and funded the setting up of IW while only providing a fraction of it for LA's.This money could have been set aside for such projects as replacing old pipes,building new treatment plants but no-it was wasted! Another lie by Enda & Co. "Local Services" me hole!!

Okay yeah that suck's but being angry and pointing finger's won't actually fix the problem that the country will all be like roscommon in 10-20 year's unless we do something now, the vast majority of people protesting are happy to stick their finger's in their ears and shout about PPS number's and bonus's which I do agree with but then ignore the fact that our water infrastructure needs to be maintained and paying by use is the only FAIR way to do it.

Cantona's Collars

tigger123 wrote: »

Source?

Google.;)