realdanbreen wrote: » This whole hullabaloo about irish water is the greatest example of what happens when you elect a bunch of independents . I don't see them whipping up hysteria or putting the same energy into giving up the €12000 that they all get for turning up for work or the thousands of euro they pocket for unvouched'expenses'. These are things that they could resolve at the stroke of a pen next week if they wanted to, but that won't happen.
realdanbreen wrote: » So when is Mick Wallace,Claire Daly, Boyd-Barrett, or any of them going to give up the obscence perks? You got it,never. Much easier whip up hysteria about 'free' water. Same old story the workers will pay through the nose and the pyjama and tracksuit brigade will lie in bed and wait for the welfare cheques to come through the letterbox.
The_Valeyard wrote: » City centre was around or less than 10K
shamrock2004 wrote: » Can people still not see that this is a tax which in no way benefits the ordinary citizens?! Kenny has confirmed what Hogan said yesterday. This is about broadening the tax base and unduly plugging a financial defecit under the pretext of improving water facilities. what absolute horse ****. Since their tenure, FG have done nothing to fix the inordinate expenditure of this country.
Tony EH wrote: » There is no way that just 10,000 marched today.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » It wasn't any more. This protest was much smaller than the last. The next one will probably be smaller again.
deco nate wrote: » The last one people came from all over Ireland to protest. This time there were protests in towns and city's all over Ireland. 100,000 at the last one, this time over a 120,000. Thats not getting smaller, it's growing.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » The last time around 70k people protested, most of these were from Dublin this time it was less than 10k. The regional protests were an idiotic idea. Large protests in the capital draw media attention, regional protests only serve to draw people away from the Dublin protest and reduce its overall impact. This protest was smaller than the last, the next one on Dec 13th will be smaller again, IW is here to stay the protesters have lost, this wont be another shoe tax.
Rightwing wrote: » The Government need to go back to the drawing board, paying many salaries of €100K+ for this quango is outrageous. We are not paying for water, we are paying for a quango.
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Iwasfrozen wrote: » The regional protests were an idiotic idea. Large protests in the capital draw media attention , regional protests only serve to draw people away from the Dublin protest and reduce its overall impact.
Irish Steve wrote: » The problem with that is there's no incentive to be economic, and no incentive to fix broken or leaking taps or other problems within the consumer's own premises. There's also then the problem that it makes finding leaks harder, if an area is metered, then the water into the area should match the usage, and if it doesn't, there's a leak issue to be found and fixed. The best system is metering, in that it means that those that use the water pay for it, which might make people think about the cost of watering the grass, or washing the car with a hose every week, or filling a fish pond or swimming pool from the mains supply ( and yes, my fish pond will cost me over €50 to fill from the mains if I were to be so stupid). The only way to have a fair charging system is to have a similar system to that used for gas and electricity, which is metering on the source of supply. It might be more appropriate to have a standing charge for each property, and then the usage charge on top, so that the overall cost is shared across all users, but that seems to have been discounted, though I'm not sure why. It's the same for motor fuel, or heating oil, or for pretty much any other variable use product, the consumer pays for what they use, and I don't hear complaints about any of them, as it is the best system for recovering the cost of supply of the product. The problem for most people is that the IW concept is likely to result in significantly higher charges for supply that have very little to do with the cost of providing the water, or supporting the network, and everything to do with the snout in trough culture that has permeated the state services sector, and I can't trust that the regulator will control the spend at IW acceptably, I've seen semi states at work first hand, and it wasn't a pretty sight, and the most sickening aspect was the "entitled" mentality of the people that were abusing the system.
Banjo String wrote: » Oh no. :eek: If only this very subject, and why they cannot deduct at source or refuse TCC to self employed etc wasn't already covered about a thousand times at this stage in the thread. Yeah, funnily enough it was like a media blackout yesterday regarding the protests..... With Just aboutevery single newspaper having the protests as front page news, every radio station having it as the news slot headline, and every tv news coverage devoting significant airtime to it. You post some silly guff at times, half time I reckon you're on the troll tbh. Irish Water is already dead in the water before it issues a bill, Kenny threatening non payers yesterday was the sign of a leader who has clearly lost it, a man so out of touch, and completely holding his electorate in contempt.On the same day hundreds of thousands of ordinary decent people protesting on the countries streets, a poll reveals that Sinn Fein have now overtaken fine Gael as the most popular party in the country by a massive four points. The writings on the wall for Kenny and for Irish Water. If their isn't isn't a political, internal coup from within to oust him, he could potentially make the party implode. Panic stations all around. I think it's gas. The arrogance and sneering, the dividing and conquering has all backfired, the Govt are about to reap what they sowed.
Barely There wrote: » Tiny turnout in my town. Slowly the realisation is starting to dawn on people that the choice is not between paying and not paying, it's between paying through income tax or paying through a direct charge. It suits most of the hardcore protestors to keep the current model, as many of them have never worked and would prefer that the rest of us continue to fund their water consumption .
Tullamore Thousands of anti water charge protesters carried a coffin through the streets of Tullamore in Co Offaly this afternoon. Despite intermittent and at times heavy downpours, gardai said some 2,000 attended the protest. Marchers carried a coffin to symbolise the death of Irish water.
Banjo String wrote: » The writings on the wall for Kenny and for Irish Water. If their isn't isn't a political, internal coup from within to oust him, he could potentially make the party implode.
twowheelsgood wrote: » Yes, their could be moves to oust him - I expect there will be before the next general election. But how might make the party implode? (whatever that means)
twowheelsgood wrote: » And more importantly, how will this bring an end to the government?
Banjo String wrote: » Google vat on children's shoes.
twowheelsgood wrote: » Don't need to. I remember 'aul Jim. If the current government were depending on the support of an independent socialist they would have fallen a long time ago. But they are not. They have a sizable majority and a serious number of either FG or Lab TDs will need to in effect commit political suicide to bring about the end you desire. Do you think that that will happen?
20Cent wrote: » They are currently behind Sinn Fein in the polls, Sinn Fein in the middle of a sex abuse scandal. It doesn't get much worse than that for a party.
According to the poll, only two in five people will pay the water charges and over half resent Irish Water's demand to divulge their PPS numbers.
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