Going Forward wrote: » Corporation tax rates?
nm wrote: » Irish Water have drafted in 100's of temporary staff, they are apparently going to install every water meter tomorrow in problematic areas while the residents are out at the protests. This is confirmed FACT.
Knight who says Meh wrote: » Ireland needs dragging down a back alley and given a good kicking. Ever since the church scandals and the bail out etc etc have all erupted I have seriously learned to hate this ****ed up little country of mine and i dont like the feeling. Im marching today but its not particularly to do with paying for water. Irish Water has become a symbol of everything that causes me to hate my country. The corruption, the back scratching, the bonus culture... its all there. Im a bit of a simpleton when it comes to politics but my feeling is : Get SF into power Bring the country and the govt to its knees over this issue Get the IMF et al back on our case Thats the good kicking. Force us to get our act together Force Irish politicians to stop acting the prick. Then get SF back out of power reaaaaaaal fast!:eek:
chicorytip wrote: » Get these anarchists off our streets ! The usual left wing,anti-austerity,anti-social,mostly unemployed cohort augmented by Sinn Fein youth wing yobbos. Tomorrows mooted "protests" will,in all likelihood,result in one pathetic damp squib.The majority of us who willingly pay for our utilities subjected,yet again,to the bleatings of those who refuse to pay for anything.
hju6 wrote: » hju6 wrote: » Quote: Originally Posted by Maryanne84 View Post Potable water IS a scarce resource. Dundalk ran out of water in the 70s But somehow without the help of Irish water Dundalk managed to get water from Monaghan. Dublin may run out of water but might get water from the Shannon. Or fix the 40% of leaks. I don't see the point of transporting water from Shannon to Dublin for 40% of the water to leak away The 40% makes it's way back into the supply chain. If there was no wastage it would not provide any more capacity at the resevoirs, just less of a chance of them running low during droughts. Dublin region gets 540 million litres of treated water every day. It would be foolish for whoever is in charge of supplies not to plan for a future where population and demand will continue to increase. I am really not qualified to give an opinion on the subject, over and above that observation. And I don't know anything about water supplies in Wexford, Donegal, Tipperary etc, maybe you do? You dismissed my point comparing electricity and water supplies, but it is a fact that each town and city and their environs depend on whatever water resources can be accessed and treated locally. Unless a major project like the Dundalk one or the projected Shannon one is found to be necessary. The Dundalk project was a massive investment. Without checking back I think most of the funding came from the EU. I for one appreciate the endless supply of good water here since, and the other massive investment which modernised the town's waste water infrastructure subsequently. A direct charge for water is not a mad idea. What was a mad idea was removing it from the funding mix in 1977 and holding that as the only correct model 40 years later.
hju6 wrote: » Quote: Originally Posted by Maryanne84 View Post Potable water IS a scarce resource. Dundalk ran out of water in the 70s But somehow without the help of Irish water Dundalk managed to get water from Monaghan. Dublin may run out of water but might get water from the Shannon. Or fix the 40% of leaks. I don't see the point of transporting water from Shannon to Dublin for 40% of the water to leak away
gladrags wrote: » Another Protest Era Dawns Another protest era dawns. Through the street's we march upon. For the future of our ilk and kind. As they do not pay us any mind. Send a message loud and clear. Make them listen,make them hear. The signs are there,they will not hide. Behind deception,cast in lies. Their time to fall is drawing near. Hurry now,but have no fear. They will try to blind you once again. Take this courage,take this pen. We will not be taken by their greed. While so many,live in need. For those who care not to be pawns. Another protest era dawns. Gladrags
dxhound2005 wrote: » hju6 wrote: » The 40% makes it's way back into the supply chain. If there was no wastage it would not provide any more capacity at the resevoirs, just less of a chance of them running low during droughts. Dublin region gets 540 million litres of treated water every day. It would be foolish for whoever is in charge of supplies not to plan for a future where population and demand will continue to increase. I am really not qualified to give an opinion on the subject, over and above that observation. And I don't know anything about water supplies in Wexford, Donegal, Tipperary etc, maybe you do? You dismissed my point comparing electricity and water supplies, but it is a fact that each town and city and their environs depend on whatever water resources can be accessed and treated locally. Unless a major project like the Dundalk one or the projected Shannon one is found to be necessary. The Dundalk project was a massive investment. Without checking back I think most of the funding came from the EU. I for one appreciate the endless supply of good water here since, and the other massive investment which modernised the town's waste water infrastructure subsequently. A direct charge for water is not a mad idea. What was a mad idea was removing it from the funding mix in 1977 and holding that as the only correct model 40 years later. Dundalk water comes from Lough Muckno in Castleblaney. The infrastructure was bought and paid for by us, the taxpayers at the time. It is the same kind of bought and paid for schemes throughout the country. The only remaining problems seems to be with the water losses from old pipes which should and could have been paid for with the Property Tax through the existing councils instead of setting up this IW quango. There was no need for Irish Water to be set up at all. It is just another quango to look after the friends, failed politicians and supporters of FG. Look at the numbers of directors. IW will of course be privatised in a few years and the people know that and are not having it. Like many I have no problem contributing a fair price for good water but not the IW cash cow. I also wonder why many posters on here staunchly support anything FG throw at us and continue to compare us to other European countries yet ignore the high levels of USC, VRT, VAT, Levies etc etc that we have and other countries don't have while making those comparisons.
hju6 wrote: » The 40% makes it's way back into the supply chain. If there was no wastage it would not provide any more capacity at the resevoirs, just less of a chance of them running low during droughts. Dublin region gets 540 million litres of treated water every day. It would be foolish for whoever is in charge of supplies not to plan for a future where population and demand will continue to increase. I am really not qualified to give an opinion on the subject, over and above that observation. And I don't know anything about water supplies in Wexford, Donegal, Tipperary etc, maybe you do? You dismissed my point comparing electricity and water supplies, but it is a fact that each town and city and their environs depend on whatever water resources can be accessed and treated locally. Unless a major project like the Dundalk one or the projected Shannon one is found to be necessary. The Dundalk project was a massive investment. Without checking back I think most of the funding came from the EU. I for one appreciate the endless supply of good water here since, and the other massive investment which modernised the town's waste water infrastructure subsequently. A direct charge for water is not a mad idea. What was a mad idea was removing it from the funding mix in 1977 and holding that as the only correct model 40 years later.
yipeeeee wrote: » Sinn fein have the privatisation of water charges in their manefesto. They agree with water charges but gullable people jump on the bandwagon.
shamrock2004 wrote: » Hi what time is the march today and where does it start? I'm incredulous that I cannot find details of the march anywhere! thanks
Muir wrote: » Where are you based?
mpearce wrote: » +1 on this. Intend to go to the dublin central protest today and like the above poster am also finding it difficult to find details. Shame with so many people predicted to attend that clearer details aren't available. Read on thejournal.ie that north side and south side protests are due to meet and proceed to the GPO - based on a reader comment. Would be useful if there was clear "official" details of what/times/etc. is planned
partyguinness wrote: » I moved from Ireland a few years ago but I daily follow the news etc in Ireland. Where I live, I pay for water and also council tax (rates). I must say that looking in on this whole debacle, it is somewhat embarrassing. You dont want to pay high taxes, you dont want to pay for services and then bitch and moan about the crap services. IRELAND, GROW UP. BUNCH OF BABIES....:rolleyes:
shamrock2004 wrote: » stop trolling you bell end
Muir wrote: » There's a group meeting at Connolly Station at 2pm and another group meeting at Heuston at 2pm. Both marching along the quays and meeting at the GPO. There are also local groups around Dublin, some of which will march to town to meet the bigger groups and some who are going to march locally. There are a group from Dublin Central meeting on the North Circular Road at 1pm and marching in then. Most of the details seem to be on Facebook so if people don't use it it's harder to find.
partyguinness wrote: » That's exactly the type of immaturity I am alluding to.
shamrock2004 wrote: » Just another person who is happy to extoll the virtues of living abroad. We've heard it all before. We don't care about where you live and what the governmental policies are. Why aren't you back working in Ireland if you support inordinate levels of tax?
partyguinness wrote: » You clearly care enough to reply. I am all up for civil disobedience etc but in reality it will achieve nothing. You will still vote in the same gombeens at the next election. Going around in circles. The Irish political system and country is toothless until it starts to emabrace a technocratic society. It still reverts to the same old tired and failed socialist ideology of the early 20th century. You can tell the usual suspects out on their soap box. Tedious.
Ghost Buster wrote: » Its not that simple simpleton. I'll pay for water. I wont pay for Politicians mates being handed jobs they are unqualified for simply because their parents donate money. I wont pay for Denbis O'Briens life style I wont pay for bonuses when most peoples wages are going down I wont pay for politicians lavish expenses. I wont pay for the gambling debts of others. Thats just a few of the things my Water rates wont be used for.
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