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Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

Mycroft H

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franksm

^^ I'd say there's bit of liquid lunch had by that one !

Valetta

franksm wrote: »

^^ I'd say there's bit of liquid lunch had by that one !

Either that or he was posting on boards -:)

[Deleted User]

Spot the bicycle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41_VxsJo_n0

sentient_6

gutteruu wrote: »

and today..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9X23Cj7RLI

Would the guards in Mountbellew or Ballinasloe be interested in that?

[Deleted User]

Difficult to see.
The lorry and cars following had to brake sharply as an oncoming car overtook a line of slower cars, the overtaker got in at the very last moment!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE0nsqnVDTA

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

Spot the bicycle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41_VxsJo_n0

I spotted it.
What's wrong with the cyclist?

[Deleted User]

CiniO wrote: »

I spotted it.
What's wrong with the cyclist?

No lights and wearing black!

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

No lights and wearing black!

Well, maybe it's just your camera which shows everything that bright, but from what I can see it's a daytime, so no need for cyclist to have lights or reflective clothin. (at least not required by law).

[Deleted User]

CiniO wrote: »

Well, maybe it's just your camera which shows everything that bright, but from what I can see it's a daytime, so no need for cyclist to have lights or reflective clothin. (at least not required by law).

It was very late into the twilight zone, long after road vehicles need lights to be seen, it actually looks lighter on the video than it was in reality.

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

It was very late into the twilight zone, long after road vehicles need lights to be seen, it actually looks lighter on the video than it was in reality.

It looks fairly bright on the video.

Lighting up hours start half an hour after sunset, and that's the time from which vehicles (including bicycles) are required to use lights.

Jesus.

Cinio, are you having a laugh? You spent half an hour yesterday lecturing me on the virtues of driving with your lights on all day!

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

CiniO

Jesus. wrote: »

Cinio, are you having a laugh? You spent half an hour yesterday lecturing me on the virtues of driving with your lights on all day!

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

But that was on cars, not on bicycles.

I was trying to convince you, that having your lights on your car, will increase your safety (and people around you).
Having lights (and reflective clothing) on your bike, will increase biker's safety, but no one else's really.

If I was the biker, I would most likely have the lights in that conditions, but riding there without light, possibly wasn't illegal.

[Deleted User]

I'm trying to teach my son that it is a good idea to "be seen, be safe(er)", that video proves what a difference lights make, you can clearly see the cars and only see the bike when you replay the video looking for it!

If I had posted that video without a comment, how many of you could honestly say that you saw the bike?

Jesus.

CiniO wrote: »

But that was on cars, not on bicycles.I was trying to convince you, that having your lights on your car, will increase your safety (and people around you).
Having lights (and reflective clothing) on your bike, will increase biker's safety, but no one else's really.

Indeed but you said to the poster "whats wrong with the cyclist?" This from a guy who drives with his lights on all the time so people can see him!

Sorry Cinio but that's dreadfully inconsistent

CiniO

Jesus. wrote: »

Indeed but you said to the poster "whats wrong with the cyclist?" This from a guy who drives with his lights on all the time so people can see him!

Sorry Cinio but that's dreadfully inconsistent

No it's not inconsistent, you just didn't get my point.
I do drive with lights on at all times, because I think it's safer for me.
I never said there was something wrong with people who don't do it, and I never said that lights at daytime should be compulsory.
You were trying to convince me yesterday, that having lights at daytime is no beneficial at all. I don't agree with it, and that's why I use lights.
But nothing wrong with people who don't use them at daytime. Especially on a bicycle.

[Deleted User]

And now for something completely different

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_D3DKJOO0

Jesus.

CiniO wrote: »

No it's not inconsistent, you just didn't get my point.
I do drive with lights on at all times, because I think it's safer for me.
I never said there was something wrong with people who don't do it, and I never said that lights at daytime should be compulsory.
You were trying to convince me yesterday, that having lights at daytime is no beneficial at all. I don't agree with it, and that's why I use lights.
But nothing wrong with people who don't use them at daytime. Especially on a bicycle.

Sorry but that makes no sense. You say you drive all the time with lights on so people will be better able to see you yet you say "what's wrong with the cyclist" even though he didn't have any reflective gear, let alone any lights, in very dull conditions.

Totally inconsistent

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

And now for something completely different

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_D3DKJOO0

Camera man seems to be 100% convinced of scooter rider's fault.

But to be honest, I can see the biker indicate right and is positioned within right side of his lane. Then suddenly changes indicator to left and turns left without checking his mirror.
I'd say 50/50 would be more correct, even with stipulating more fault on the side of the biker.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

CiniO wrote: »

Well, maybe it's just your camera which shows everything that bright, but from what I can see it's a daytime, so no need for cyclist to have lights or reflective clothin. (at least not required by law).

That thinking is why nanny states exist. People unable to look after themselves.

Lights on a bike are required by law, high viz, reflective clothing and helmets are not, but you would want to be stupid to ride a bike with just the minimum...

[Deleted User]

CiniO wrote: »

Camera man seems to be 100% convinced of scooter rider's fault.

But to be honest, I can see the biker indicate right and is positioned within right side of his lane. Then suddenly changes indicator to left and turns left without checking his mirror.
I'd say 50/50 would be more correct, even with stipulating more fault on the side of the biker.

You forgot the key fact that the undertook the camera bike first, he was also going to undertake the other bike as well.

He has an L plate and clearly needs more training before he gets his license.

edit: don't forget that they drive on the left in the UK.

punisher5112

The one with the scooter is one awful fool and won't last long riding like that.

He undertook cam bike and then done the same into bike indicating left.

He is just showing off and has no skill or experience and was totally wrong as why else would he fly off after running into the other bike from behind.

I love the little wheelie attempt as he nearly grounds himself and also nearly collides with the van.

Full training should be compulsary before any tool like him is allowed ride.

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

You forgot the key fact that the undertook the camera bike first, he was also going to undertake the other bike as well.

He has an L plate and clearly needs more training before he gets his license.

edit: don't forget that they drive on the left in the UK.

As far as I know in UK (same as in Ireland) undertaking vehicle which signalled intention to turn right is fully legal.
And that's exactly what the front biker was doing - signalling to turn right.

I have no idea if camera biker was signalling to turn right as well - most likely not, and most likely undertaking him by scooter rider was illegal. But we don't know that from the video.
Also scooter rider should have wondered why is biker signalling right turn considering there was no road to turn right, and because of this expect some strange behaviour from the biker - and that's exactly what happened - biker suddenly within less than 1 second changed indicator from right to left, and from right side of his lane started turning left without checking his mirror.

As I said - this should be 50/50 in the worst case, and possibly more blame to the biker than scooter rider.

CiniO

punisher5112 wrote: »

The one with the scooter is one awful fool and won't last long riding like that.

He undertook cam bike and then done the same into bike indicating left.

Bike was indicating right and positioned on right side of the lane.
He changed indicator to left in the last moment when it was too late for scooter rider to brake.

He is just showing off and has no skill or experience and was totally wrong as why else would he fly off after running into the other bike from behind.

Maybe he flew off, as camera rider was abusing him and he was affraid this could turn into more serious road rage.

I love the little wheelie attempt as he nearly grounds himself and also nearly collides with the van.

Well, no surprise he was bit distracted after what happened.

Full training should be compulsary before any tool like him is allowed ride.

I though it was compulsory.

Tragedy

The biker was in the middle of the lane from the roundabout onward, there was also at least 2.5s and possibly 3s between indicating left and impact.

Indeed, the moped is just about level with the camera bike until front rider indicates left and camera bike starts to slow.

Instead of slowing, the moped guns the engine (and indeed you can hear the engine screaming after impact).

CiniO, everyone likes a good argument, but could you not choose a less obnoxious one to take a silly stand on?

[Deleted User]

CiniO wrote: »

As far as I know in UK (same as in Ireland) undertaking vehicle which signalled intention to turn right is fully legal.
And that's exactly what the front biker was doing - signalling to turn right.

I have no idea if camera biker was signalling to turn right as well - most likely not, and most likely undertaking him by scooter rider was illegal. But we don't know that from the video.
Also scooter rider should have wondered why is biker signalling right turn considering there was no road to turn right, and because of this expect some strange behaviour from the biker - and that's exactly what happened - biker suddenly within less than 1 second changed indicator from right to left, and from right side of his lane started turning left without checking his mirror.

As I said - this should be 50/50 in the worst case, and possibly more blame to the biker than scooter rider.

When in a hole, stop digging!

The biker was a bit slow in cancelling the indicator after leaving the roundabout, bike indicators need to be manually cancelled after a turn, but still no excuse to dive up the inside. The biker was also in the middle of the carriageway with no clear "indication" as to whether he was going change direction until he indicated after straightening up from leaving the roundabout. Then he indicated left, any experienced motorist would hold back to see where he was going.

flynnlives

His indicator was still flashing right cause he just came off the roundabout. On a bike you actually have to mnually switch of your indicator. Its not like in a car where it usually turns itself of when you turn the steering wheel.

The fault for this accident is clearly the douche on the scooter. The two guys on the bikes did nothing wrong. Correct road position, correct speed and good distance between themselves. Whereas the scooter was none of these.

You clearly never ridden or have any knowledge of motorcycle riding.

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

When in a hole, stop digging!

The biker was a bit slow in cancelling the indicator after leaving the roundabout,

First of all he should have left indicator when leaving roundabout. But let's drop it.
It took him 7 seconds with right indicator after leaving roundabout. Surely that can be misleading enough.

bike indicators need to be manually cancelled after a turn, but still no excuse to dive up the inside.

Of course there is. Scooter rider went on inside, as he was thinking that biker is turning right. That's what indicator are for.

The biker was also in the middle of the carriageway with no clear "indication" as to whether he was going change direction

I don't know how you look at it, but from what I can see he was on the right side of his lane with right indicator. That's fairly clear indication that he was going to change direction. Unfortunately he changed it into other side that anyone could think.

until he indicated after straightening up from leaving the roundabout. Then he indicated left, any experienced motorist would hold back to see where he was going.

Agree. Experiences motorist would. But scooter rider wasn't experienced.

CiniO

Tragedy wrote: »

The biker was in the middle of the lane from the roundabout onward, there was also at least 2.5s and possibly 3s between indicating left and impact.

Looks like you didn't really look into the video. There was about 1 seconds between him indicating left and the impact.

Indeed, the moped is just about level with the camera bike until front rider indicates left and camera bike starts to slow.

Instead of slowing, the moped guns the engine (and indeed you can hear the engine screaming after impact).

Moped rider started braking as soon as he saw left indicator. Looking at the video it took him less than 0.5 second which is fairly good reaction time. Better than average anyway. Nothing more he could do at this stage.

CiniO, everyone likes a good argument, but could you not choose a less obnoxious one to take a silly stand on?

It's not a sill stand on. Video shows it all. Most fault should go to bike rider.
Only fault of moped rider is that he didn't expect the unexpected.

Looks like usual Irish style understanding of traffic from what you are saying. Person at fault is the one who was driving faster. That's what most people think unfortunately in this country.

punisher5112

Bikers should be looking out for each other not fighting or hitting them.

Cinio that scooter rider was the one looking for a fight as the rider he hit was the one that looked more shocked and afraid from what i saw on the video.

As said above bikes indicators are manual and at times can be forgotten or even press the button but not knock off as happened to me many a occasion.

You should know better undertaking is wrong even more so on a 49cc hair dryer against two way more powerful bikes.

He is not experienced and that showed up in the video even riding with no protective gear and a undone/loose helmet and riding position on scooter all wrong, along with his behaviour.

I would guess he is the type that puts his leg out when going around bends and that.

If you feel someone is driving badly in front of you cinio would you put yourself in harms way and undertake.

I hope they reported him and got damage to bike paid for.

I started off on scooters myself and fully admit it was great fun a little slow but great to get out and yes took some chances but never ever did i ride as bad as that.

CiniO

flynnlives wrote: »

His indicator was still flashing right cause he just came off the roundabout. On a bike you actually have to mnually switch of your indicator. Its not like in a car where it usually turns itself of when you turn the steering wheel.

So?
Does this justify keeping the indicator for extra 6 seconds?

The fault for this accident is clearly the douche on the scooter. The two guys on the bikes did nothing wrong.

Yes sure.
Positioning on the right side of his lane, indicating right, and then suddenly changing indicator to left and turning left 1 second later without checking the mirrors is nothing wrong. Of course.

Correct road position, correct speed and good distance between themselves. Whereas the scooter was none of these.

You clearly never ridden or have any knowledge of motorcycle riding.

I don't have bike licence indeed and I've ridden bikes very little. Mostly mopeds.
But that doesn't change what I see on the video. And there I can see that most fault should be on bikers side, not moped rider.