gandalf wrote: » With the right political will they would be. The problem is that the current crowd in power and the ones waiting in the wings for power don't have the testicular fortitude to take them on.
gladrags wrote: » Snip
gladrags wrote: » From the Independent site. I have checked other sources to confirm Hogans remarks. Here is the guy who set up the quango and walked away with a golden handshake from Kenny. His comments are beyond belief,and reflect what FG really think about the taxpayers. "Asked about Saturday’s massive countrywide demonstrations against water charges Mr Hogan said no-one will able to get rid of the new charge. “People are entitled to protest, they are entitled to make their voice known,” he added. He said the Government was forced to introduce water charges because the country was “broke” and dependent on funding from the Troika. Speaking to Newstalk, Mr Hogan said the Troika are “paying for the people who are marching tomorrow if they are public servants or on welfare or if they are getting any particular service”. “This is where we have been getting our money for the last number of years because we were broke and unfortunately that has a huge impact on people’s personal disposable income but also their lifestyle,” he added. “We have to reform how we do business in this country or we will not learn from the past.” He said the introduction of water charges in Ireland was “predicated by the unsavoury situation of the Troika” which forced the new tax on the county. He said the Troika was still looking over the shoulder of the Government despite exiting the bailout programme. Mr Hogan said he would like to have had more time to introduce water charges over a longer time frame but he was under pressure from the Troika to implement the measure."
gladrags wrote: » “We have to reform how we do business in this country or we will not learn from the past.” "
Creative Juices wrote: » Is there a website showing where and when the protests will be on? Also will the bearded ones be making union speeches at these protests?
Strawberry Milkshake wrote: » The Fountain, Eyre Sq @2pm.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Jack O Connor is against the protests.
Creative Juices wrote: » Are you spreading false information? It's 1pm @ Spanish Arch for Galway
Irish Steve wrote: » Just been looking at the right2water site, and I now find I have a major problem in supporting tomorrow's planned marches and protests. I want to give the Government a VERY CLEAR AND LOUD message that saysIRISH WATER AS PRESENTLY STRUCTURED AND PLANNED IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME, AND MUST BE CHANGED. My problem is that I do NOT want to be associated with the NO PAYMENT plan that right2water are putting forward, I don't have an issue with water being a paid for resource that's paid for on the basis of consumption. That now puts me into a bind, in that the protest marches are all going to be promoted as being "No water charge", and I am not saying No water charge, I'm saying NO IRISH WATER as presently structured The issue for me is that just about everything related to the operational structure, management structure, management style, operational culture and future direction of IW is wrong, and has to be undone, or changed, to make IW fit for purpose. It looks like I won't be able to go to any of the 90 plus planned marches or demonstrations without my presence being used to give support to a message that I don't fully support. Looks like I shall have to start writing specific letters to selected TD's and Ministers in order to make the point that I suspect is more in keeping with many people's real views on the subject of water and charges. I suspect I'm not alone in this feeling, but it's frustrating and annoying me that the opportunity to give the Government a clear message is not as clear as I wanted it to be.
gladrags wrote: » People are attending for many different reasons,associated or not associated to Irish water.
Grandpa Hassan wrote: » Therein lies the problem. I don't see that there is a coherent message with respect to what the protests are trying to achieve, or a definitive, actionable message to the government.
Rojomcdojo wrote: » At this point I can't see any admin changes coming, all that will happen is that the middle class will once again be carrying pretty much the entire burden
renegademaster wrote: » 3 of the protestors arrested in Cork yesterday are on the late late tonight!!
renegademaster wrote: » the message is quite simple and doesn't need to be complicated like you're suggesting, the message is people have had enough!
fxotoole wrote: » That's not a decisive, definite, actionable message though. It's just a vague whingy moan about people not liking Irish Water for any of a multitude of reasons. Like the poster you quoted commented, what exactly are these protests meant to achieve? Ask 10 different people at the protests, and you'll 10 different answers.
cajonlardo wrote: » If someone can't be bothered reading what the protests expect to achieve on the website, then its hardly likely that they are seriously interested. Whingy moan is right. The simple and clear message being sent out is that I.W is NOT acceptable and will not be tolerated. And all the mickey fits by F.G and their online supporters is not going to dilute that message.
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