PeteFalk78 wrote: » "aimed at securing a birth certificate in her acquired female gender" That's an oxymoron. No mention of how much the settlement was.
MadsL wrote: » What is oxymoronic about showing the correct gender on an official state record? As for a settlement, the way the State has jerked her around she would deserve every penny as a trailblazer.
MadsL wrote: » http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/lydia-foy-settles-transgender-birth-cert-case-against-state-1.1979314 Apparently it takes 7 years for the Irish State to admit that they are in the wrong. Congratulations to Dr Foy for the persistence in this case and the tremendous victory for the trans gendered in Ireland.
Chunners wrote: » Congats to her and all but I can't see how it will make any difference to us since we can't change our names on our birthcert, I could go get this done when the law is changed but my birthcert will still have my male name on it (and it's not even slightly androgynous or anything) so I'm still always going to have to use my deed poll along with my birthcert for anything like passport, banks, social welfare.
PeteFalk78 wrote: » Because it is a birth certificate. Foy was born male.
MadsL wrote: » Foy was born with male genitalia, but born with a female GENDER. That is why they call it gender reassignment. Her Birth Certificate has been corrected. Is this really hard to grasp?
PeteFalk78 wrote: » Ok so Foy wants any historical reference to herself as a male/masculine removed?
MadsL wrote: » She wants her gender fully recognised by the State. Why do you object to that?
RDM_83 again wrote: » At a guess I presume the legal (though perhaps not moral) justification for this is because the Right to Privacy only applies to medical history.
PeteFalk78 wrote: » You didn't answer my question. Is she renouncing her marriage or the fact that she fathered 2 children?
Chunners wrote: » I don't understand what you mean? from my own perspective this law won't really make any difference to my life or at least nothing would change for me if I were to change my birthcert to female anyway.
nokia69 wrote: » Dr Foy was born a male he can have all the surgery he wants but the simple fact can't be changed
MadsL wrote: » No-one is seeking to change any facts. Merely that the State recognises the correct gender. What is the problem exactly? I have a friend who was born with both primary genitalia - what are his simple facts??
nokia69 wrote: » the DR and people like him want to change his birth cert from male to female will I be allowed to change the dates on my birth cert to what I think my real age is, I'm a 21 year old in a 31 year old body, thats the way I feel, who cares about the facts
MadsL wrote: » I see you completely dodged my question. What should my friend's birth certificate read? Male /Female/Blank? Take your time.
nokia69 wrote: » thats not for me to say, ask a doctor since you referred to your friend as male then maybe thats what they put on the cert but no matter what answer I give you will say I'm wrong, therefore Dr Foy should have the right to change his birth cert
MadsL wrote: » Doctors don't write Birth Certificates. As to my friend, his parents decided he was male, and had his vagina surgically closed. He now teaches parents about hermaphrodism. Your statement makes no sense, why does what I say confer any rights? I'm trying to understand your objections...why does it matter to you?
nokia69 wrote: » well why does it matter to anyone I think legal documents should tell the truth and not be changed or falsified, just to make someone feel better about themselves the truth is important, is it not
nokia69 wrote: » Dr Foy was born a male
Nodin wrote: » The truth is that the Dr's gender was always female.
hotmail.com wrote: » Where's the humanity or compassion for Lydia? Are you completely heartless?
PeteFalk78 wrote: » Obviously not if he lived as a man, married a woman and fathered 2 children for a good chunk of his life.
