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ardinn

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

Does irish law have specific regulations regarding hacking/disruptive intent involving digital content or do we ignore in most cases?

Opinions and legal interpretations welcome!

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aaronjumper

Chunners wrote: »

Finally Neo has arrived and is preparing to save us all from the Matrix

Give him time man, thats a lot of stuff to google and reword, any bets any reply he gives includes the words "DDOS" or "SQL injections"

One wrong button press though. . .

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diograis

Op are you single ?

BunkMoreland

Hacking implies he gained access to the server. Denial of service isn't hacking.

Also guessing a password isn't hacking.

shruikan2553

Chunners wrote: »

Finally Neo has arrived and is preparing to save us all from the Matrix

Give him time man, thats a lot of stuff to google and reword, any bets any reply he gives includes the words "DDOS" or "SQL injections"

He probably created a GUI using visual basic to track the IP on his 12 pipe computer

Chunners

shruikan2553 wrote: »

He probably created a GUI using visual basic to track the IP on his 12 pipe computer

Whoa slow down there hoss, you lost him after "created", what he probably did was find the "backdoor" that EVERYONE knows exists on all protected servers and was presented with a Dos interface saying "Enter Password" so he randomly typed in numbers and letters, obviously his first few tries came up "ACCESS DENIED!" but any hacker worth his salt (which the op obviously is) can get in that way in 5 or 6 tries.

Duggy747

Alright, if you really are a hacker then hack into my brain and change the pixels on the kettle so it meows quotes from Hamlet to me in an Australian bark, literally in a metaphorical sense.

salamanca22

Stress testing is not considered hacking nor is DDOS. While there may not be many criminal laws in Ireland regarding cyber crimes you can sure as hell be sued in civil court for disruption of business and lost revenue.

Also to validate the op's claim about taking down it is incredibly easy to force a website down that does not have a massive bandwidth connection to the net or a hosting provider that will null route at the first signs of an attack.

kneemos

salamanca22 wrote: »

Stress testing is not considered hacking nor is DDOS. While there may not be many criminal laws in Ireland regarding cyber crimes you can sure as hell be sued in civil court for disruption of business and lost revenue.

Also to validate the op's claim about taking down it is incredibly easy to force a website down that does not have a massive bandwidth connection to the net or a hosting provider that will null route at the first signs of an attack.

Easier than skinning a roo for a night on the Barbie mate.

Ben Horne

Unless you can hack the Gibson, not listening!

UCDVet

Laws are well and good, but make no mistake....if you piss off enough people, or a few people enough, the it really doesn't matter.

There are enough laws that are generic enough that they'll find a way to twist it around. And even if you aren't guilty of the crime, they can sure ruin your life while they put your through the legal system for years or decades.

Hacking by itself doesn't really get you much. Let's say you can compromise some high profile site and get 100,000 credit card details. Well, that's not going to pay your rent. But if you use the credit cards, it's still illegal, even if the hacking isn't (but it probably is). Existing laws will prevent you from benefiting from your cybercrimes anyway.

And even if something isn't criminal, that doesn't mean you can't be sued or held accountable for damages as the result of your actions. If you take a website down, you'd be liable for damages, which could range from virtually nothing to millions of euro.

Robbo

Are you still bound for da reload, Tom da Box?

(Oooooh, oldschool reference)

UCDVet

shruikan2553 wrote: »

He probably created a GUI using visual basic to track the IP on his 12 pipe computer

In fairness - doing the equivalent in any other field would get him a lot of praise. It always seemed like computer enthusiasts get a bad rap.

If someone had an interest in chemistry, started reading some books on chemistry, got some chemicals, and reproduced some fairly basic experiments in their kitchen, I don't think anyone would make fun of him for being a 'chemistry-kiddie who doesn't know what he's doing'.

Even worse, in a lot of cases, we take these people (usually young kids) and treat them like criminals for having an interest, and actively trying to learn, instead of encouraging them.

pedro1234

ardinn wrote: »

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

Does irish law have specific regulations regarding hacking/disruptive intent involving digital content or do we ignore in most cases?

Opinions and legal interpretations welcome!

Go see a shrink to help you deal with your narcissism.

Chunners

UCDVet wrote: »

In fairness - doing the equivalent in any other field would get him a lot of praise. It always seemed like computer enthusiasts get a bad rap.

If someone had an interest in chemistry, started reading some books on chemistry, got some chemicals, and reproduced some fairly basic experiments in their kitchen, I don't think anyone would make fun of him for being a 'chemistry-kiddie who doesn't know what he's doing'.

Even worse, in a lot of cases, we take these people (usually young kids) and treat them like criminals for having an interest, and actively trying to learn, instead of encouraging them.

In all fairness encouraging someone by calling them a "chemistry-kiddie" because they reproduced some fairly basic experiments in their kitchen is not the same as encouraging someone as a computer enthusiast because they hacked some websites, the equivalent there would be praising someone as a future biologist because they dissected the neighbors dog

Fate Amenable To Change

rarnes1 wrote: »

. Before prison

() After prison

Penetration Testing...

*grabs coat

bodhrandude

ardinn wrote: »

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

Does irish law have specific regulations regarding hacking/disruptive intent involving digital content or do we ignore in most cases?

Opinions and legal interpretations welcome!

Are you from Sligo by any chance, do you know Scottish Denis?

Edit: Just seen in your post that you are from Carlow.

CentimoSal

real hacking is hacking the world around you - not just some tiny shared hosting account in a*massive* data center that can survive multi-pronged DDOS attacks from whole continents

UCDVet

Chunners wrote: »

In all fairness encouraging someone by calling them a "chemistry-kiddie" because they reproduced some fairly basic experiments in their kitchen is not the same as encouraging someone as a computer enthusiast because they hacked some websites, the equivalent there would be praising someone as a future biologist because they dissected the neighbors dog

I'd disagree.

Hacking doesn't destroy anything. It could destroy data, but most 'hacking' done by inexperienced people isn't malicious. It's more along the lines of, 'So wait, if SQL injection works like that, then I could just go to a website and enter this into a textbox, and see if it works? Whoa, cool....I wanna try'. Particularly if they are making a gui in VB.

Dissecting the neighbors dog requires the dog to be killed first. You can't 'undead' a dog and you can never replace a pet. Hacking a website, without malicious intent, is more like trespassing onto the neighbour's property to play with it's dog because you really like dogs.

ILoveYourVibes

ardinn wrote: »

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

Yes it does. Offenses relating to information systems act.

It makes trying to access a computer without authority a criminal offense. It makes designing or using a computer program with the purpose of accessing an computer unlawfully an offense. Interception of data is also an offense. Interfering with data is also an offense.

You can get 5 yrs if you are convicted and up to 10 yrs if they find you have accessed a computer or information system without authority.

FanadMan

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes it does. Offenses relating to information systems act.

It makes trying to access a computer without authority a criminal offense. It makes designing or using a computer program with the purpose of accessing an computer unlawfully an offense. Interception of data is also an offense. Interfering with data is also an offense.

Vibes - both the prev posters are spammers

ILoveYourVibes

FanadMan wrote: »

Vibes - both the prev posters are spammers

Oops sorry ....the topic was just something i was recently talking to someone about. Didn't realize it was such an old thread!:rolleyes:

fritzelly

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You can get 5 yrs if you are convicted and up to 10 yrs if they find you have accessed a computer or information system without authority.

Strange 5 year old thread, he's out again

FGR

fritzelly wrote: »

Strange 5 year old thread, he's out again

He's hacked into Vibes' mind and we're next !

Run!!

ILoveYourVibes

FGR wrote: »

He's hacked into Vibes' mind and we're next !

Run!!

he so hasn't.... there is nothing about flesh interfaces in this thread.