zerks wrote: » Regarding water conservation,didn't IW reserve the right to raise bills if "customers" didn't use enough water? .
Clandestine wrote: » Question : How is water a human right?
Going Forward wrote: » Let's dismiss that red herring.http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/20-years-to-halve-number-of-water-leaks-268383.html
Clandestine wrote: » Question : How is water a human right? Humans have things like the right to drink it, search for it and to trade for it (with money or whatever) but others have to provide it. We need people to dig wells, build the water pipes, material costs etc. It is not something a person naturally has, it comes at the expense of others
adrian92 wrote: » My point, I think , is that we may be tempted to engage with the minitiue of x or y litres, why one house pays twice my neighbouring one. Or even the other one - should one pay? Needless distress has been introduced to us ; where none existed before , in this matter, by our masters (benign) We can say, perhaps, - we have all enough existing distress - please do not introduce a new form, dear leaders whose function is to look after our wellbeing, do you not think?
Going Forward wrote: » I intend to consume 4.2litres less per day because Irish Water say this will combat climate change. Ha ha ha.
hiFidelity wrote: » I can't post links yet, so please Google this to read the artilce 'pac-fury-at-irish-water-questioning-warning' The Dáil’s spending watchdog has claimed unknown officials are attempting to "muzzle" its work after it received "unsolicited" Oireachtas legal counsel advice warning it not to examine Irish Water. Public accounts committee chair John McGuinness said all members of the committee want to know why the letter was sent — and who requested it. (This is from an article in today's Irish Examiner)
DamagedTrax wrote: » i posted it this morning, i'd say its a far few pages back by now. no harm in people reading again though. be intresting to know who was behind it.http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pac-fury-at-irish-water-questioning-warning-293773.html
The Dáil’s spending watchdog has claimed unknown officials are attempting to "muzzle" its work after it received "unsolicited" Oireachtas legal counsel advice warning it not to examine Irish Water. Public accounts committee chair John McGuinness said all members of the committee want to know why the letter was sent — and who requested it. The Fianna Fáil TD said the PAC “took exception” to being warned off questioning Irish Water chief executive John Tierney about the group and his involvement in the controversial Poolbeg incinerator while Dublin city manager. He said the legal advice, from Oireachtas official, Ramona Quinn, had dropped “out of the sky” without warning on Wednesday night, adding that he wants to know who requested the letter to be sent. According to the correspondence, which is understood not to have been sent to any other Dáil committee, the PAC has been told that it cannot question Mr Tierney about a series of scandals to hit the group because its accounts are not examined by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Although the PAC’s work is restricted only to bodies which fall under the C&AG’s remit, this has usually been interpreted to include groups funded by a particular department — in this case the Department of Environment — which in turn is examined by the C&AG. While Irish Water can still be questioned by the Dáil’s environment committee, the group previously attended a grilling by the more probing PAC in April which is now supposedly not possible — further complicating the situation. It is also unclear what, if any, role, the ongoing legal action by ex-Rehab chief executive Angela Kerins against the PAC over the scope of its inquiries into the charity had on the correspondence. Rejecting the legal advice, Mr McGuinness said the PAC is entitled to interview Irish Water due to the public funds involved, and added that he will “establish our right to look at those accounts”. Sinn Féin TD Mary Lou McDonald said the letter is another “attempt to trim the sails” of the PAC, while Fine Gael’s John Deasy said officials are reaching a point of “absolute absurdity” if they believe Irish Water is outside the spending watchdog’s remit.
DamagedTrax wrote: » this is how.http://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/human_right_to_water.shtml whether or not we pay for it is the argument.
zerks wrote: » It was revealed early in play that IW will look at raising the cost of supply to cover a shortfall in use.They estimated how much a household will use & are billing on that figure,of course when people become more savvy in their use of water then bills should fall.This will hurt IW's income stream and where will they make up this shortfall? Raise the cost,any time they were asked about this they tried to sidestep the issue but refused to rule it out.
Guy:Incognito wrote: » I see a couple of links on my Facebook now saying how the media are all liars and there's a black out with regard Iw (funnily the black out is lifted at times when the links the like are posted) . Apparently we shouldn't trust the media because they are making up figures but definitely believe the anti water protesters when they say only 80k appliation packs have been returned and that "a source" told them.
Going Forward wrote: » More revelations:http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/420k-car-perk-for-water-bosses-293947.html IW the quango that keeps on giving.
Irish Water said last night that 747,000 of the 1.5m homes set for charges had responded to it so far. Two thirds of people are returning applications by post.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » I've voted before, but I've come to realise that "democracy" in this country is a broken concept.. - FF & FG have proven just as bad as each other (in fact FG are worse as at least with FF you know what you're getting!) - LAB, Greens, PDs and so on are all parties that betray their supposed ideals the minute they shack up with one of the above and are usually annihilated at the next GE anyway - SF have some good individuals, but Gerry is a serious liability and regardless , you'll have a significant portion of the Irish people who wouldn't vote for them no matter what happened - kinda funny really as it conveniently forgets the history of some of the other parties I've mentioned, and these same people will no doubt be out celebrating their "republicanism" a little over a year from now :rolleyes: - The far left are equally unelectable, mostly because they are one-issue parties with no idea how to run a country - Ditto most of the Independents and "new" parties which are usually just FF/FG cast-offs "in disguise" .. So tell me now again why voting for any of the lot we have to choose from is a good thing??
dxhound2005 wrote: » That "source" could be our very own Banjo String. He posted this 5 days ago on the thread.It's been rumored (yeah, rumored so who knows) that the reason the deadline is being pushed back is apparently because only 80k packs have been filled in properly. I asked him for more information but I heard nothing back. It has been rumored. Apparently because. What in the world is that meant to mean. It is worse than the worst kind of journalese speak which we have to suffer in this country and that is saying something.
Banjo String wrote: » You've been very quiet this past couple of days. Maybe you've taken a break from filling your cisterns with shower water now that the bills will be capped for two years......
Going Forward wrote: » More revelations:http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/420k-car-perk-for-water-bosses-293947.html IW the quango that keeps on giving. Perks for cars for senior management.
Satriale wrote: » Of course the best thing to do with a damaging figure floating around on social media, would be to squash it immediately with the truth, before it gained legs. That is, if it want already close to the truth.:eek:
Guy:Incognito wrote: » A figure was released, it was before the anti side proclaimed it a lie and released their figure they got from "a source"
Tony EH wrote: » This alone, irrespective of all other issues people have with Irish Water, should have everyone boycotting this farce.
Pocoyo wrote: » I pay taxes the notion of free water is nonsense its already paid for,These idiots claiming i wont 'free' water are just shills,My tax covers many services including water,Whats next should i go out and tip the street cleaners or the gardai too!!
