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just a question, If Darwins theory on evolution, that humankind evolved from apes, why are there still apes out there ?

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J C

housetypeb wrote: »

Authors,not author. Do you get anything right?

The ultimate Author was God (singular).

Frank Bullitt

There are eminent scientists on both sides of this debate ... and as far as I can see Dawinism is a 'dead duck' ... and Creation Science is making rapid strides.

No there aren't, there are no scientists in the world worth mentioning that support creationism, it is purely faith based and has no evidence to support it at all.

M2M Spontaneous Evolution is impossible ... and I do have the qualifications to say that.

As has been asked many times before, prove it. As far as I am concerned, you are not qualified in the slightest, you are a fraud and a conman when it comes to this stuff, and it would be of benefit to all on boards if you were banned, and took your vile beliefs and claims with you.

I have a well founded difference of scientific opinion with you ... nothing more or less.
I have repeatedly asked ye to tell us what spontaneous mechanism provided the CFSI for NS to act upon ... and I haven't got a satisfatory answer.
I have presented the basis for ID .. and again I haven't got any invalidating answers from ye to this either.
... just old guff about me being insane, a fraud, toxic, poisonous and any other word of derision that ye can get from a dictionary to name-call me and my ideas.

Again, CFSI as far as google tells me, is a Canadian radio station, so please, keep trying on that one.

You have presented faith based rubbish, not the basis for anything other than opening yourself up to being seen as a lunatic, who needs to be helped.

You can expect to have what you say, and yourself for that matter, called names like the above, because they are very fitting to your position. You have the mentality and belief of someone from the early 1800's, not 2014. Most of what you preach is faith based rubbish, its called faith because it is not knowledge.

Your place in this argument (if we can call it that) is more comic than scientific, no evidence, nothing peer reviewed, just tired repeating in the hope that we somehow might believe you. Its pathetic.

housetypeb

You seem calmer,J C, basking in the afterglow?

J C

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

And Jesus cursing a fig tree? surely the creator of all the universe would know what seasons HE made the tree's bear fruit in?

He did ... but that wasn't the point ... the tree was in full leaf and wasn't bearing any fruit ... even unripened fruit.

... so it was useless as a fig tree (by not providing food for people to eat) ... and it therefore was selected by Jesus to be destroyed.

[Deleted User]

J C wrote: »

I can present the matter at hand.

When you are ready

J C

housetypeb wrote: »

You seem calmer,J C, basking in the afterglow?

I'm always calm.:)

Squeedily Spooch

J C wrote: »

He did ... but that wasn't the point ... the tree was in full leaf and wasn't bearing any fruit ... even unripened fruit.

... so it was useless as a fig tree (by not providing food for people to eat) ... and it therefore was selected by Jesus to be destroyed.

So he cursed a tree not bearing fruit to...not bear fruit? That's like cursing a snake to forever crawl on it's belly. Wouldn't a snake already have been doing that? unless it...evolved.

Squeedily Spooch

J C wrote: »

The ultimate Author was God (singular).

So then he did want gays to be stoned to death? and women who were raped?

J C

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

So he cursed a tree not bearing fruit to...not bear fruit?

He judged the tree and it died (physically).

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

That's like cursing a snake to forever crawl on it's belly. Wouldn't a snake already have been doing that? unless it...evolved.

He judged Satan and he died (spiritually).

... and He will judge each one of us ... when we have chosen either eternal spiritual life or death.

J C

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

So then he did want gays to be stoned to death? and women who were raped?

He no more wanted that than He wanted Cain to murder Abel, Adam and Eve to Fall, King David to be an adulterous murderer, etc. etc.

... and if you don't believe me ... then could I ask you what Jesus Christ did with the woman caught in adultery when the crowd wanted to stone her ... He forgave her ... and showed the mob that wanted to stone her that they were a bunch of hypocrites ... scarlet as much in their own sins, as she was.

Squeedily Spooch

J C wrote: »

He judged the tree and it died (physically).

He judged Satan and he died (spiritually).

... and He will judge each one of us ... when we have chosen either eternal spiritual life or death.

But I won't be judged, you already said the rules don't apply if you're not of the same religion, so I get a free pass

Supergurrier

Love how a thread about evolution has become about sexual preference and religion. (Neither of which I could care two hoots about as its none of my business what people do behind closed doors or choose to believe)

You really couldnt make it up.

J C

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

But I won't be judged, you already said the rules don't apply if you're not of the same religion, so I get a free pass

God is outside of man-made religions ... He will give each person (of all religions and none) the choice of being Saved or not ... of choosing eternal spiritual life or not.

Brian Shanahan

housetypeb wrote: »

So you turn the other cheek-but still protest? Logic has no meaning to you.

We have discovered over on A&A long ago that he is the anti-Spock. And yes that does also mean that he has a large ego which is easily bruised.

J C

Supergurrier wrote: »

Love how a thread about evolution has become about sexual preference and religion. (Neither of which I could care two hoots about as its none of my business what people do behind closed doors or choose to believe)

You really couldnt make it up.

Not my doing, I can assure you, that as a scientist ... I'm happiest debating the merits of Darwinism/ID ... but I won't run away from the difficult and incisive questions posed about my faith either.

Saganist

J C wrote: »

Ordinary chemistry is an example of a deterministic system ... and it has predictable and certain results.

However, DNA is an information containing molecule ... and it isn't a deterministic system.

Hence evolution and natural selection. :rolleyes:

Supergurrier

J C wrote: »

God is outside of man-made religions ... He will give each person (of all religions and none) the choice of being Saved or not ... of choosing eternal spiritual life or not.

Any Deity that would present those two options is not worthy of any kind of worship. It would be spite for spites sake.

The whole ash and brimstone nonsense is just a control mechanism for people and organisations with agendas to get what they want in this life through fear shame and guilt

J C

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

We have discovered over on A&A long ago that he is the anti-Spock. And yes that does also mean that he has a large ego which is easily bruised.

Spock was a bit of an ego maniac know-it-all and a cold-fish.
I'm happy to say I'm a warm-hearted Human Being ... just like the rest of ye.:)

J C

Supergurrier wrote: »

Any Deity that would present those two options is not worthy of any kind of worship. It would be spite for spites sake.

The whole ash and brimstone nonsense is just a control mechanism for people and organisations with agendas to get what they want in this life through fear shame and guilt

It would be justice or mercy ... with the choice of which we want to receive up to each one of us ... and you can't get any fairer or more loving than that.:)

Bipolar Joe

Couple of things I always wondered:

So, in the OT, God is a bit of a dick, what with the murdering and stuff, stoning rape victims, so on. If Jesus is God, and Jesus was sort of the opposite (Forgiving adulterers), does that mean that God was wrong the first time and is therefore fallible?

Another one is, if I don't believe in God, I don't get "Eternal spiritual life," I get death. If I'm dead, there's nothing? I'm asking because literally nothing seems super relaxing after an entire lifetime, and I don't want to have to go do more shit when I die.

Squeedily Spooch

J C wrote: »

God is outside of man-made religions ... He will give each person (of all religions and none) the choice of being Saved or not ... of choosing eternal spiritual life or not.

No,YOUR god is outside man made religions. do you pity all those Hindus worshipping the wrong deity, the one you worship because of where you were born most likely?

yellowlabrador

J C wrote: »

God is outside of man-made religions ... He will give each person (of all religions and none) the choice of being Saved or not ... of choosing eternal spiritual life or not.

what exactly would a person be saved for? I think I'll give that one a miss.

Saganist

Finish the quote.

J C wrote: »

Spock was a bit of an ego maniac know-it-all and a cold-fish.
I'm happy to say I'm a warm-hearted Human Being, .:)

Who has a presuppositional argument that all knowledge is derived from my God. No evidence whatsoever will make me change my mind, regardless of what evidence I am presented with. I will however use the facts of science and evolution, and the presented evidence to further my argument while denying all challenges to my pre-supposed ideas of reality. ..

Supergurrier

J C wrote: »

It would be justice or mercy ... with the choice of which we want to receive up to each one of us ... and you can't get any fairer or more loving than that.:)

How much do I need to put in the collection plate to qualify ?

So someone who spends their life killing raping etc etc (sometimes in gods name) can utter afew words drop afew quid in the collection plate and off you go you have joined the club great bunch of lads etc.

But if you live an honest and peaceful life and dont bend over backwards to worship a bearded man in the sky you go straight to hell.

Makes sense...

I think I will take my chances.

Squeedily Spooch

yellowlabrador wrote: »

what exactly would a person be saved for? I think I'll give that one a miss.

You get to spend eternity worshipping a deity who couldn't convince a woman to not listen to a talking snake and eat an apple.

obplayer

J C wrote: »

It is the Word of God as its writing was divinely inspired and is a true account of what happened in Old and New Testament times ... 'warts and all'.:)

So when God is directly giving commands, not through an intermediary, that is a true account?

Leviticus 20
"Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Again, you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech, he shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name. 4 And if the people of the land should in any way hide their eyes from the man, when he gives some of his descendants to Molech, and they do not kill him, 5 then I will set My face against that man and against his family; and I will cut him off from his people, and all who prostitute themselves with him to commit harlotry with Molech.
6 ‘And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people. 7 Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am the Lord your God. 8 And you shall keep My statutes, and perform them: I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
9 ‘For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.
10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death. 11 The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death. They have committed perversion. Their blood shall be upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. 14 If a man marries a woman and her mother, it is wickedness. They shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there may be no wickedness among you. 15 If a man mates with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and mates with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood is upon them.
17 ‘If a man takes his sister, his father’s daughter or his mother’s daughter, and sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a wicked thing. And they shall be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered his sister’s nakedness. He shall bear his guilt. 18 If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has exposed her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from their people.
19 ‘You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister nor of your father’s sister, for that would uncover his near of kin. They shall bear their guilt. 20 If a man lies with his uncle’s wife, he has uncovered his uncle’s nakedness. They shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 If a man takes his brother’s wife, it is an unclean thing. He has uncovered his brother’s nakedness. They shall be childless.
22 ‘You shall therefore keep all My statutes and all My judgments, and perform them, that the land where I am bringing you to dwell may not vomit you out. 23 And you shall not walk in the statutes of the nation which I am casting out before you; for they commit all these things, and therefore I abhor them. 24 But I have said to you, “You shall inherit their land, and I will give it to you to possess, a land flowing with milk and honey.” I am the Lord your God, who has separated you from the peoples. 25 You shall therefore distinguish between clean animals and unclean, between unclean birds and clean, and you shall not make yourselves abominable by beast or by bird, or by any kind of living thing that creeps on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26 And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.
27 ‘A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.’”

New King James Version (NKJV) The Holy Bible, New King James Version Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

You actually believe all this insanity?

I should add that this will be my last post on this thread, when J C informed us that he had had communications with aliens http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92707790&postcount=2005 I decided it was time to leave the debate.

Tordelback

J C wrote: »

Spock was a bit of an ego maniac know-it-all and a cold-fish.:)

You've crossed a line there, J C - dissing Darwin is one thing, but when Jim Kirk says someone's soul is the most... human... he has ever encountered, you'd better believe it.

Defender OF Faith

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Couple of things I always wondered:

Another one is, if I don't believe in God, I don't get "Eternal spiritual life," I get death. If I'm dead, there's nothing? I'm asking because literally nothing seems super relaxing after an entire lifetime, and I don't want to have to go do more shit when I die.

And why don't you believe in a God? can you give me a good reason why? I understand if you don't believe in religion, but I dont understand how can people reject the belief in god if they dont have a good reason for it

Delirium

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

And why don't you believe in a God? can you give me a good reason why? I understand if you don't believe in religion, but I dont understand how can people reject the belief in god if they dont have a good reason for it

Do you believe every god/goddess from every culture exists? If not, what is your reason for not doing so?

floggg

J C wrote: »

I have answered all questions posed to me, in so far as time has permitted.
You're the guys who haven't effectivley addressed my posting about the basis for ID ... despite a number of half-starts and failed attempts.

... and ye are also the guys now trying to derail the thread by attacking the person of Creationists with unfounded accusations of insanity rather than the addressing their ideas as they relate to Darwinism.

Ye are the guys with all the invalid arguments ... and now ye have lowered yourselves and your arguments to the level unfounded name-calling.

Yiu haven't. You've avoided a number of posts which have pointed out your flawed assumption that particles are randomly dispersed and randomly interact.