gladrags wrote: » The lack of debate on this thread,on the effect of water charges on old age pensioners, is shameful. The worry,fear and stress,suffered by isolated,desperate and lonely citizens,is a disgrace. Take your finger out of your ar*e.
BoJack Horseman wrote: » delivered the fastest growing economy in Europe with the fastest level of job creation.
DamagedTrax wrote: » isnt that what FF claimed right before things went tits up a few years back?
BoJack Horseman wrote: » Could be. It's also the reality though, whether people like it or not.
DamagedTrax wrote: » its just that it holds less water 2nd time around.
THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS Committee (PAC) has questioned why it has received unsolicited legal advice that it cannot question Irish Water boss John Tierney. TDs on the committee have been told they do not have the power to investigate Irish Water’s start-up costs or Tierney’s involvement in the controversial Poolbeg incinerator project when he was Dublin city manager. The advice came in a letter received last night from the parliamentary legal advisor Ramona Quinn who said that PAC cannot scrutinise Irish Water or Poolbeg because neither are subject to examination by the Comptroller and Auditor General.
Irish Water, PPSNs and the missing Minister's agreement - McGarr Solicitors When challenged on how it has the right to ask for people’s PPS numbers, Irish Water has said that it is a specified body under statute. This is a reference to Section 20 of the Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2014. This section did add Irish Water to the list of specified bodies set out in Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005. S 262(4) and Sec 262(6) of the same Act are the ones which control what a specified body may do with a PPS number to verify a person’s identity with the Minister for Social Protection. Irish Water have said that this is the sole purpose for which PPS numbers are being collected. This use is subject to prior agreement with Minister for Social Protection. The Minister must be shown and must agree with the proposal for use and processing of the PPS number, on the basis (amongst other things) that it is necessary and proportionate under the general principles of data protection. If the minister does agree that standard has been met then a specified body may then collect and process PPS Numbers-solely in line with that agreement. No such agreement between the Minister for Social Protection and Irish Water is anywhere shown on the Irish Water website or on the Department of Social Protection website. However, the Department of Social Protection has published a statement from Irish Water on its website saying that the agreement is still not in place, as of September 2014. “This arrangement has not been finalized at this time but we are engaging with the DSP” If there is no agreement in place with the Minister, on what statutory basis is the collection and processing of PPS numbers taking place? Credit to Damien McCallig, who spotted this issue.
Banjo String wrote: » From McGarr solicitors.http://www.mcgarrsolicitors.ie/2014/10/22/irish-water-ppsns-and-the-missing-ministers-agreement/
Ogham wrote: » The use of PPS numbers by IW is in legislation. That line they quote above "This arrangement has not been finalized at this time but we are engaging with the DSP" if you read the page on welfare.ie seems to be just referring to the fine detail of how verification will actually happen.... that has not been finalized. Not a major issue. Nothing to do with the Use of PPS numbers not being allowed.
Knight who says Meh wrote: » At this stage i cant see Irish Water in any form surviving. i can see it having to be scrapped and started over again in some drastically new form. Unlike the protests and resistance to the property tax, local authority tax, septic tank registration and what ever else we have had thrown at us this one has gained traction and has given a huge majority of regular Joes a sense of empowerment and unity not experienced with the other protests. I think blood has been tasted and its not going to be let go now. Personally less than 3 weeks ago i was willing to (and tried to) register, give PPS numbers and pay but due to the comedy that is Irish Water admin I was thankfully thwarted from doing so. In this time i have witnessed enough corruption, ineptitude and scandal and lets face it, success within the anti Irish water to make me do a total about face and join the "Wont pay' camp. Yay me! Yay us!
Anatom wrote: » As well as that, they're also well into their infrastructural programme, fixing the mess of a water system that the local councils left us with...
BoJack Horseman wrote: » Reverting back to 30 scattered local authorities managing water would be a tragic waste.
Anatom wrote: » Nah, too expensive and they're too far down the road of metering and gathering the information they need to start billing people. As well as that, they're also well into their infrastructural programme, fixing the mess of a water system that the local councils left us with... There'd be huge fallout if it were decided to scrap IW and restart it with something else. Imagine the cost and the time it'd take!!
Ghost Buster wrote: » But if 1 million homes out of 1.5 million continue to remain uncooperative, and I think they will, then what?
Anatom wrote: » A serious problem for the Government, that's what. To provide a water and waste water network that works, the money will have to come from somewhere... "Guess who's tasked with fixing the infrastructure? That 30 scattered Local Authorities - Not Irish Water. As it stands,IW is merely a bloated bill collection service and nothing more,no matter what way it's portrayed." IW IS responsible for fixing the infrastructure. The local authorities aren't. I don't know who told you otherwise, but they're wrong.
Anatom wrote: » A serious problem for the Government, that's what. To provide a water and waste water network that works, the money will have to come from somewhere... IW IS responsible for fixing the infrastructure. The local authorities aren't. I don't know who told you otherwise, but they're wrong.
gandalf wrote: » The one good thing I hope comes from this farce is that people in this country start asking real questions about how our tax money is spent and put real pressure on the politicians to ensure we are getting value for money.
BoJack Horseman wrote: » Its a lonely voice though calling for that unfortunately. Every time spending is reduced or even discussed being reduced there are howels of protest from unions, the opposition & other left-wing groups, as well as the people affected.
Rosa Hot Lumberman wrote: » There is no hope of 1 million not paying it. Probably under 100k homes will refuse to pay it. I have spoken to very few (if anybody) in real life who is not going to pay.
gandalf wrote: » Hmm nearly every one where I work says they won't pay including me.
Tony EH wrote: » Discrimination against lower castes has been made illegal, but the caste system is still very much in effect. For the lowest caste, the "untouchables", all this has meant to them is that they are now called the "Dalit". Their situation remains the same. They still, in their millions, have to live in their own piss and shit, however, and will never get a sniff of India's prosperity. A prosperity, by the way, which lies on the knife edge of the western "cheap labour" model to a large extent. India is CERTAINLY not an economic model by which any nation should be looking to for an example of how to do things. Unless, of course, ones political view finds sweatshops and people consigned to living in their own faeces acceptable. Anyway, this is getting waaay off topic.
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