Curly Judge wrote: » Since when is paying for what you consume an injustice?
Tony EH wrote: » Ummm, When looking at "Nations" as monolithic entities, it may look like it's ostensibly shrinking, but on a people level, it's widening, especially in the west.
cajonlardo wrote: » If there really were 100,000 subversives they would have marched into Gvt Buildings long ago without a shot fired.
turnikett1 wrote: » Paying for the debts of bankers fúck ups under the guise of a new utility is injustice. You must be seriously daft if you think the reason FG introduced the water tax is because its only fair and just that people are charged for paying water.
BoJack Horseman wrote: » Run the maths on that one. The government spend about €54bn a year. They will borrow an additional €7bn to cover national debt repayments.... Of which €1.6bn is promissory note (bondholder) repayments. People are justifiably angry at that injustice, however when it makes up around 2.6% of total government expenditure, every tax & fee ain't about the bloody bondholders.
EazyD wrote: » Makes you wonder then why they haven't eased tax takes in the recent budget on middle-earners.
More-so self employed tax contributors who are effectively entitled to nothing should things turn south.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » But it's not, hundreds of millions of people are being lifted out of abject poverty in India, Indonesia and Bangladesh. All without the aid of a welfare state. GDP per capita is growing 13 times faster in India than the UK.
padraig47 wrote: » We should pay for our water, but I am opposed to any possibility of privatisation of Irish Water. I cannot understand how Dr Tierney was appointed CEO, as he showed his incompetence previously with the Eyre Square refit in. Galway, before going to Dublin.
zerks wrote: » Have a look at what's happening in Detroit when the provision of water was handed over to another entity rather than the LA there.27,000 cut off for non payment of fees that have skyrocketed in the past few years in one of the poorest areas of the USA.
Ireland used to have a fair way for the payment of services,you pay tax & the money pays for water,roads,etc. Now it's pay tax then pay to live in your house,pay for refuse collection & now pay for water.
If the much hated USC was out towards services then we'd see no outcry as people would say "fair enough",so far for all these extra charges nothing has improved & councils are still going with the begging bowl for funding.
Imagine if all the money wasted setting up this quango was divided out to LA's around Ireland and a certain amount ringfenced for water network upgrades.
BoJack Horseman wrote: » Another city in another continent is not an inevitable harbinger of Ireland's water future.
Tony EH wrote: » And yet the lower castes find themselves increasingly without and looking at the upper castes getting rich. Simply looking at a GDP figure or interpreting countries as monolithic entities is not looking at the whole picture.
zerks wrote: » But didn't IW use a business model from a different country? Kinda puts paid to that statement of yours.
Rubberchikken wrote: » How come enda's able to ask 'tough' questions regarding sinn fein today in the dail but can't or won't speak up and make IW explain themselves.
Rubberchikken wrote: » How come enda's able to ask 'tough' questions regarding sinn fein today in the dail but can't or won't speak up and make IW explain themselves. I have great sympathy for that woman making the rape allegation but enda is only playing along listening to her to show his 'compassionate' side and detract from the crap that's going on.
Highflyer13 wrote: » The stuff with Sinn Fein is happening for 2 reasons. 1) To take attention away from the IW farce. 2) To discredit SF as they make some serious gains in the polls. The public can see right through it. FG probably have a few more of these cards to play before the 2016 GE. And I am not a SF supporter before someone accuses me of being one. Unfortunately this governments actions have put me in a position of having no political party to support. I suspect I am not the only one.
Rosa Hot Lumberman wrote: » Anything that can be done to ensure SF get as few people as possible elected can only be a good thing.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Like gini coefficient? According to the world bank. Gini coefficient India: 33.4 Gini coefficient Ireland: 34.3
listermint wrote: » November 1st 2014
BoJack Horseman wrote: » Oooh.... Foreshadowing! The real date though is May 2016, when the people decide the next government. Will the SF privatisation plan prevail or the SP/AAA plan to eliminate taxes by defaulting on national debt? Time will tell.
listermint wrote: » Its my opinion solely but im pretty confident ive paid / pay more tax than you and im the farthest from a scrounger that i could get.
Tony EH wrote: » Again, you're looking at single figures and attributing that to a hunky dory outcome. Whereas, on the ground, as it were, that figure is not applicable simply to millions of people. In the case of India and her caste system, there are incredible numbers of people who will never rise out of their impoverished situation because of accidents of birth.
listermint wrote: » What the hell have SF or AAA got to do with my post.
November 1st is a day for normal people (me) to get out and show how dissatisfied we are with your policies horseman.
Because it appears you back pretty much anything that comes out of the government mouth.
Sure im a scrounger for not paying taxes.
im pretty confident ive paid / pay more tax than you and im the farthest from a scrounger that i could get
BoJack Horseman wrote: » Balance. Lest people forget there are far worse choices out there than the current gov. Flattered, but Bojack ain't king yet. I can't take credit.I back some, I oppose some. Sure beats hysterical & impotent internet anger! Booo! Scrounger or hero of the proletariat.... Make up your mind! If you've been in the labour force longer than 5 years, then yes you probably have, what with college still being a recent memory.... But, you know, give me time.
Anatom wrote: » Some of the "debate" on this forum is laughable. Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves as you're doing absolutely nothing to inform anyone about the IW debate at all I'm surprised a Mod hasn't stepped in at this stage to be honest...
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Never rise out of poverty? That's obviously not true since hundreds of millions have been lifted out of abject poverty since the end of WWII. The income distribution of India is similar ro Ireland but GDP per capita is growing roughly 13 times faster. That points to a rapidly growing middle class. People whose grandparents would have once been in hopless poverty now make up that middle class. Similar story in Bangladesh and Indonesia.
Banjo String wrote: » 1, any particular posts in particular you'd like to point towards? Plenty of posts are 'informative' ref Irish Water, their bonuses and shambles of a set up definitely needs to be brought to the publics attention. 2, did you use the report button on any post you feel goes too far off topic, or isn't to your liking? 3, back seat modding doesn't suit you.
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