Guy:Incognito wrote: » Whereas "but the media told us too" is grand?
Wurly wrote: » Okay so are we in agreement that the system is flawed then?
Wurly wrote: » Not sure if this was already posted concerning leaks?http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-water-call-out-charge-plans-revealed-645848.html
dxhound2005 wrote: » I'd rather be here under our flawed system than living like 80 or 90% of the world's population have to.
And I'd rather be living now than in any past era from an economic point of view. One of the most affluent countries in the world at the most affluent time in history.
Any country where the population can spend over €6 billion on alcohol every year can't be regarded as being in poverty. Yet I see claims that having to fork out maybe one twelveth of that for water will leave everyone in penury.
Cuttlefish wrote: » So there is no first fix free policy
Wurly wrote: » How about speaking up so that we don't have to have either of these outcomes? Agreed. I feel extremely grateful to live where I do and to have the opportunities I have. I get what you're saying. These are seperate issues though. People drink for a multitude of reasons. In fact, I know of people that would go without lighting or heat, just to have a drink and numb their pain. So it's not an accurate representation of wealth. Now we could go into people who drink socially and all that. But what's the point? It doesn't represent riches or poverty accurately at all. Your argument is like saying: We can either chop off all your limbs or just cut off your arm. And you saying, well I might have one arm missing but at least I get to keep me legs! Do you agree that we are being charged for water already via taxation?
dxhound2005 wrote: » I'd rather be here under our flawed system than living like 80 or 90% of the world's population have to. And I'd rather be living now than in any past era from an economic point of view. One of the most affluent countries in the world at the most affluent time in history. Any country where the population can spend over €6 billion on alcohol every year can't be regarded as being in poverty. Yet I see claims that having to fork out maybe one twelveth of that for water will leave everyone in penury.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Tell me what percentage of your taxation goes into the water infrastructure?
dxhound2005 wrote: » All I can say after reading some of what I just did is that some people here must have had their brain numbed by alcohol. Or maybe by Sky TV (other pay TV services are available). One million households or more find it necessary to pay someone for the TV services. And they want their free water as well. Best wee country in Ireland.
Wurly wrote: » But the water is not free. It never was.
dxhound2005 wrote: » I got mine free. Your must have been with Sky Water.
Wurly wrote: » Do you not pay tax?
dxhound2005 wrote: » I didn't pay any water tax since 1976.
Wurly wrote: » Good to know. Do you pay income tax?
dxhound2005 wrote: » Of course. But all of mine and that of all the other workers is used up for social welfare, health and education. None left over for the water.
waking dreams wrote: » Sure why wouldn't they when they are being forced to pay a TV License? So in your eyes is it okay for RTE to charge a fee to have a TV and not for someone wanting to view other content? The idea of a TV license is to provide a broadcasting setup free of advertisements and independent of shareholder and political interest as the British have put it below. "All of this content – and the television channels, radio stations and online spaces where audiences can find it – is paid for by the licence fee, allowing BBC's UK services to remain free of advertisements and independent of shareholder and political interest."
Wurly wrote: » Can you give a breakdown of figures for each of these things? I'd like to see with my own eyes that there is no money left for water. I'd like to see the exact amount being spent on social welfare, health and education. Could you also provide accurate figures on expenditure relating to TD salaries, top-ups, bonuses and pensions. As well as how much exactly is going to the bondholders?
Pocoyo wrote: » http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-water-call-out-charge-plans-revealed-645848.html?utm_source=androidapp&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=sharebutton 188 euro for a leak. Irish water need to go.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Different subject of course. But just another example of where revenue can be got by government they will always go after it. It goes back to 1926 in this country. I will be happier if/when a new charge is brought in which is not as weak in it's collection policy. 80 or 85% pay and have to pay extra for the freeloaders and the new collection of Freemen who think eventhough it is the law it doesn't apply to them.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Ah now come here. It's a Sunday.
Wurly wrote: » It's not about law applying to one person and not to another. The people protesting are protesting for your rights as well. You do not have to accept this. You are already paying for your water. Dude, this is f*cking madness. For EVERYONE.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » For the last time. We were previously paying an insufficient amount of money from our income tax. You persist with this lie that we're paying for water twice. Indirect taxation is a less efficient method of funding anyway. It doesn't discourage water conservation.
Wurly wrote: » Could you also provide accurate figures on expenditure relating to TD salaries, top-ups, bonuses and pensions.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Thank goodness the evening shift has arrived. Enda was on to me asking where you were:)
