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Water meter protests

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I've been kinda following the story about the water meter protests on & off for a few weeks now via the Dublin says no facebook page (looks like there's trouble in Raheny today with the Gardaí there).

I can't say I'm a big fan of another bill but it's very clear that we are going to be paying for water next year no matter what.

I admire the dedication of the people who've been out protesting everyday but I can't help but wonder if their actions won't inevitably help increase the water charges. Irish water have contractors working for them & the workers will get paid regardless of weather they install no meters or 10 meters a day. The longer the protesters block work, the longer Irish water will need to keep the contractors on the payroll & you can guarantee that cost will be passed on in the long run.

What do other people think about the protests?

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degrassinoel

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Good question

I must remember to.ask that one the next time one of you posts a heavily edited youtube video claiming garda brutality or IW workers running over old ladies :rolleyes:

I actually seen something like that happen first-hand in Saint Annes in Raheny a few months back, it wasn't an old lady it was a middle aged guy and it was done deliberately. Afaik the young guy that was driving the van lost his job over it too

Ye cant dismiss it all as propaganda, there are always two sides.

Banjo String

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You see what you want to see

That's your MO

I may be converted yet, I may start to agree with you.

Once a peaceful protester is charged with assault or criminal damage.

Until then, it's not a case of seeing what I want to see, I only see reality, which in this case, is that the Gardai have yet to even charge a single protester with assault or criminal damage.

Mighty telling mind you, what with both sides equipped with video recording equipment.

Lmklad

Banjo String wrote: »

I may be converted yet, I may start to agree with you.

Once a peaceful protester is charged with assault or criminal damage.

Until then, it's not a case of seeing what I want to see, I only see reality, which in this case, is that the Gardai have yet to even charge a single protester with assault or criminal damage.

Mighty telling mind you, what with both sides equipped with video recording equipment.

Maybe some are being Adult Cautioned instead....

Banjo String

Lmklad wrote: »

Maybe some are being Adult Cautioned instead....

Maybe.

Assault and criminal damage are serious enough offences though (tbf).

Adult cautions aren't very likely for such an offence.

worded

Water can be such fun on a lighter note

https://www.youtube.com/embed/dkpzgS9rdTk

FREETV

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

FREETV

Protesting will work as it did in Bolivia and it has to go on until Irish Water and the Coalition Government are put in their place.

https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/alana-libow/bolivian-protesters-end-water-privatization-la-paz-el-alto

Timberrrrrrrr

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.

This is a lie, if this is the case then the protesters are trespassing on private property when they attempt to stop installations.

It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.

More lies

It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

Now you're just getting desperate :rolleyes:

Banjo String

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This is a lie, if this is the case then the protesters are trespassing on private property when they attempt to stop installations.

When did public footpaths become private property?

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

More lies.

Now you're just getting desperate :rolleyes:

Indeed.

Touch of irony about this post.

Any examples of protesters charged with acts of assault or criminal damage yet btw

Sam Kade

FREETV wrote: »

Protesting will work as it did in Bolivia and it has to go on until Irish Water and the Coalition Government are put in their place.

https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/alana-libow/bolivian-protesters-end-water-privatization-la-paz-el-alto

If only we could get SF into power they would sort it, but beware we will pay for it some other way

Paulownia

Sam Kade wrote: »

If only we could get SF into power they would sort it, but beware we will pay for it some other way

SF promise Utopia with scant reference to how it would be funded after they have rifled the pot!

Fr. Ned

Paulownia wrote: »

SF promise Utopia with scant reference to how it would be funded after they have rifled the pot!

Do they?

Timberrrrrrrr

Banjo String wrote: »

When did public footpaths become private property?

That's something you will have to ask your buddy

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

Indeed.

Touch of irony about this post.

Any examples of protesters charged with acts of assault or criminal damage yet btw

To coin a phrase used many times by the no side

"Do your own research"

Sam Kade

Paulownia wrote: »

SF promise Utopia with scant reference to how it would be funded after they have rifled the pot!

Hence the rolleyes

Sam Kade

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

So if I tripped over the footpath outside your house and proved you at fault I could claim off you

Fr. Ned

As far as I can see there have been no charges of assault and/or criminal damage brought against any protesters.
More lies from known and proven liars.

Little CuChulainn

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

More blatant lies.

henryporter

You may own the footpath outside your house, but as there's a public right of way over that part of your property it facilitates public authorities to do what the wish with it and to maintain it (so if some eejit trips on it, it's the public authority who gets the summons)

[Deleted User]

Jazus, lads. I go out for a day and come back and ye're STILL going over the same old ground! There were peaceful protests around the country yesterday. They are the right way to go about it. Not behaving like thugs, confronting Gardai and IW workers with silly, factually incorrect sh1te and making themselves look like right twats in the process. Compare the following:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747387101963668&set=gm.1560582260841008&type=1&theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEhvP1cg6sw
Which gets their message across the clearest?

Guy:Incognito

Streetwalker wrote: »

Those Garda looked fierce embarrassed as they should. They should be out fighting real crime.

If people take a dislike to your job and blocked you from doing it i hope you don't consider calling the gardai to make them stop cos they have better things to do. You'll just have to stop going to work I suppose.

renegademaster

Deleted User wrote: »

Jazus, lads. I go out for a day and come back and ye're STILL going over the same old ground! There were peaceful protests around the country yesterday. They are the right way to go about it. Not behaving like thugs, confronting Gardai and IW workers with silly, factually incorrect sh1te and making themselves look like right twats in the process. Compare the following:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747387101963668&set=gm.1560582260841008&type=1&theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEhvP1cg6sw
Which gets their message across the clearest?

it's gas how the diehrads here on boards are still debating the merits of protesting and the usual suspects are doing their best to delegitimise all protesting in Ireland, meanwhile our government are $hitting themselves and talking about firing the whole IW board, and probably more. they'd really want to be copping themselves on very lively because there's a rising tide of Irish protestors who are awake and active now

Fr. Ned

renegademaster wrote: »

it's gas how the diehrads here on boards are still debating the merits of protesting and the usual suspects are doing their best to delegitimise all protesting in Ireland, meanwhile our government are $hitting themselves and talking about firing the whole IW board, and probably more. they'd really want to be copping themselves on very lively because there's a rising tide of Irish protestors who are awake and active now

There was always going to be a point where we said enough is enough.
We're a very passive, even docile, race of people.
Breaking point has been reached.

Timberrrrrrrr

renegademaster wrote: »

it's gas how the diehrads here on boards are still debating the merits of protesting and the usual suspects are doing their best to delegitimise all protesting in Ireland, meanwhile our government are $hitting themselves and talking about firing the whole IW board, and probably more. they'd really want to be copping themselves on very lively because there's a rising tide of Irish protestors who are awake and active now

Gave me a great laugh thanks

Timberrrrrrrr

Fr. Ned wrote: »

There was always going to be a point where we said enough is enough.
We're a very passive, even docile, race of people.
Breaking point has been reached.

The same buzzwords were trotted out when the LPT was announced :rolleyes:

Banjo String

When even the monsters creators are plotting against it, it's not looking too good.

I don't understand how senior members of the government can change the CEO of a private company.

I'm gonna guess that if things advance forward enough, whenever the mass non payment campaign kicks in, and Irish Water start threatening to reduce supplies to a trickle, the government will claim that they can not get involved because it's a 'private company'.

(with a general election on the horizon)

Guy:Incognito

Banjo String wrote: »

I don't understand how senior members of the government can change the CEO of a private company.
)

Its a fully state owned company.

The very same way these are:

ESB Networks
Bus Eireann
An Post
Irish Rail

Despite being companies. Yet no one seems to have the same hysteria about them.

Wanderer2010

Banjo String wrote: »

When even the monsters creators are plotting against it, it's not looking too good.

I don't understand how senior members of the government can change the CEO of a private company.

I'm gonna guess that if things advance forward enough, whenever the mass non payment campaign kicks in, and Irish Water start threatening to reduce supplies to a trickle, the government will claim that they can not get involved because it's a 'private company'.

(with a general election on the horizon)

Hasnt it already been established that IW cannot legally reduce the pressure or turn off your water?

Timberrrrrrrr

Banjo String wrote: »

When even the monsters creators are plotting against it, it's not looking too good.

I don't understand how senior members of the government can change the CEO of a private company.

I'm gonna guess that if things advance forward enough, whenever the mass non payment campaign kicks in, and Irish Water start threatening to reduce supplies to a trickle, the government will claim that they can not get involved because it's a 'private company'.

(with a general election on the horizon)

Well if you can't understand that it's not a private company (even though it has been explained to you many many times) then i'm not surprised that you don't understand how they can make changes in STATE OWNED companies :rolleyes:

More "election looming" posts? How many years have you been predicting this now?

Guy:Incognito

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

More "election looming" posts? How many years have you been predicting this now?

The government will collapse and we'll be using "punt nua"(remember that, sure its stockpiled in the mint) by the start of 2013.

_Kaiser_

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The same buzzwords were trotted out when the LPT was announced :rolleyes:

And you know well that the difference between the LPT and IW is that the former has the ability to be taken at source by Revenue whereas IW doesn't.

Is this one of those Straw man arguments I hear so much about?