Little CuChulainn wrote: » It's the unique identifier but it does not give the holder access to any of that information. For your loan history, they would have to get access to bank files. Same goes for the rest. The identifier can only be used with the information the holder already has. It can't access the information you posted.
Banjo String wrote: » Your PPS number basically ties you to anything even remotely financial. Bank account Loan applications Its one of the first things an employer will ask for, for pay roll. (so employment) Revenue dealings Social Services /child benefit. Pension Etc etc. AFAIK, you only ever get the one, and it can't be changed. Very much unlike a job, or address, or even a name.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Try that less handy routine with a bank sometime and let me know how you get on.
Phoebas wrote: » Let me get this straight. The PPSN has such a range of uses that you need to share it in dealings with : * various banks * other private financial institutions * all of your employers past, present and future * the Revenue * social welfare * pension providers * etc, etc. But you shouldn't ever share it with the state owned (for now) water utility. Is that about right?
Banjo String wrote: » Lol. If it's as useless as you make out, I'm at a loss as to why they need it to begin with. Oh wait.... Wasn't it to check of your entitled to allowances, and to cross check children claims etc. You reckon it can't be used for anything else? Bless your innocence.
Phoebas wrote: » Let me get this straight. The PPSN has such a range of uses that you need to share it in dealings with : * various banks * other private financial institutions * all of your employers past, present and future * the Revenue * social welfare * pension providers * etc, etc. But you shouldn't ever share it with the state owned water utility. Is that about right?
gladrags wrote: » Definitely not. Privatised profiteering Quangos!There is a strong likehood that your bank details will follow.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » Because they are specifically being allowed cross check it with the social to confirm the occupiers details. They cannot access any other information with it. You act like it's some kind of key that can open the lock to your entire life.
KERSPLAT! wrote: » Did you quote the wrong post, your reply has nothing to do with my post. People are asking someone here to hand over their PPS as if it is the same as handing it over to IW. It is clearly not the same, IW is a semi state utility company with data protection policies, a randomer on the internet is just that, a randomer.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » They cannot access any other information with it. gladrags wrote: » So what information can they not access via your PPS?
gladrags wrote: » So what information can they not access via your PPS?
adrian92 wrote: » Barely - just trying to be reasonable, you know. I acknowledge it may be my hang-up. The general population may have no difficulty with with a state body supporting the arms industry. I just was wondering what others thought?
lmimmfn wrote: » if its a legit state owned company then there should just be a tick box on the application form to allow access to welfares db with the PPS numbers. Its being setup like this so it can easily be sold on.
gladrags wrote: » So what information can they not access via your PPS? Occupiers details are freely available via revenue, state records. If,as you imply,PPS # is secondary,why not use census or revenue stats? Never never divulge your PPS # unless compelled .
dxhound2005 wrote: » It is legit no if about it.
Phoebas wrote: » Now you've got me all mixed up. Nobody has objected to Irish Water being given bank details - they ask for them on the application pack so the DD can be set up. But whatever else I do, I shouldn't give them my PPSN because they might use it to get my bank details.:p:pac: (wasn't sure which one to use - all work here)
lmimmfn wrote: » ok, so in which case they dont need my PPS number or those of my family.
gladrags wrote: » I can understand your confusion,it is hard to handle,the fact that so called state bodies,require you'r personal details,that were once exclusive to the individual,on the basis that they should remain so. It just takes a little forward rational thinking. A "what if " scenario. They have your PPS,your bank details. The very possible consequences are obvious. Does debt collection methodology ring a bell?Try comprehension.
Phoebas wrote: » I'm doing my best but you're not giving me much to work with.
gladrags wrote: » So what information can they not access via your PPS? Occupiers details are freely available via revenue, state records. If,as you imply,PPS # is secondary,why not use census or revenue stats?Never never divulge your PPS # unless compelled .
Mumm_ra wrote: » I signed up the application online 13- 14 days ago and decided today that I was not happy that they could pursue any payment for people who did not sign up. I rang Irish Water and after about 20 minutes got talking to an operator. I enquired about the 14 day cooling off period, of which she had no knowledge. I asked could I cancel and she said no problem. I enquired again about the 14 day cooling off period and was I still eligible. I explain the legal requirement and she said she had to speak to her manager. After about 5 minutes she returned and said the 14 day cooling off period did not apply as this was not a contract and was just an application for allowances. I thought this strange so I got her to confirm we were not in a contract and could cancel at any time. I didn't cancel as I figured that I was getting allowances but not in a contract so it made no difference. I took the time and the ladies name (presumably the calls are recorded) I legally cannot be in a contract if one party states it's not a contract. Discuss
Satriale wrote: » I wouldn't take a whole lot of notice of anyone at Irish Water. They don't seem to know what they are talking about most of the time. Best ask the lads on here, they have the pitch down to a fine art.
dorito92 wrote: » what do i do if im moving house, we have already registered but will be moving around the 1st of november, ive the registration details for the new house so i can register before the 31st, i dont want to end up with 2 bills in the door
dxhound2005 wrote: » You didn't sign up. Because you can't provide a signature online. Neither is there a space on the paper form for a signature, just a declaration which you have to tick to say that all the information you provided is true. You should discuss this with a legal professional. You could prepare yourself for the consultation by reading the relevant legislation. And the Regulators handbook for customers should be required reading for amateur lawyers like yourself. Normally when someone writes Discuss at the end of a post I just reply Nah. But you caught me at a weak moment. Thanks for that but it provided no help at all with regard to my query. Maybe I insulted your profession by stating the well known cooling off period ( I presume everybody above 18 years of age have been told this at least once - mobile phone etc) or you are indeed at a weak point. If you want to be helpful then can you confirm if there is intention if one party states there is no contract? And if so how? Discuss
Mumm_ra wrote: » dxhound2005 wrote: » You didn't sign up. Because you can't provide a signature online. Neither is there a space on the paper form for a signature, just a declaration which you have to tick to say that all the information you provided is true. You should discuss this with a legal professional. You could prepare yourself for the consultation by reading the relevant legislation. And the Regulators handbook for customers should be required reading for amateur lawyers like yourself. Normally when someone writes Discuss at the end of a post I just reply Nah. But you caught me at a weak moment. Thanks for that but it provided no help at all with regard to my query. Maybe I insulted your profession by stating the well known cooling off period ( I presume everybody above 18 years of age have been told this at least once - mobile phone etc) or you are indeed at a weak point. If you want to be helpful then can you confirm if there is intention if one party states there is no contract? And if so how? Discuss Do you remember signing a contract for your water and waste water services pre Irish Water?
chasm wrote: » Head of Customer Operations with Irish Water Paul O’ Donoghue stated this back in September on Ocean FM: "...its not a contract per se, in fact the fact of being a customer for irish water services is established under statute, so there's law there that indicates that if you are receiving your services in a particular fashion you are customer of irish water so this application form is not in, in of itself a contract, it doesnt need to be" If you look up the relevant legislation you will see that what he said is correct.
