Smidge wrote: » Lol. Point missed completely. The scheme is in place whether you or I like it or not. So you think it's perfectly fine for a government department to threaten householders who by the state are already considered vulnerable, hence the payment, with eviction from their homes if they do not comply with a private company (and no point in denying that it is anything else, that won't wash)?
Barely There wrote: » Yeah, I'm totally comfortable with it. Next.
Smidge wrote: » And that's why you are in the minority.
VinLieger wrote: » And if they don't pay who ends up being liable for it? The government which is their landlord. People need to pay for water and you cannot use the excuse we already pay through taxes anymore cus the reduction in taxes and relief on water removes that argument
Smidge wrote: » Tbh Vin, I don't bother posting much on this thread as it goes around in circles. The bottom line is that the majority of people in this country will not be paying the water charges. The pro IW side can rage against that all they like. It won't change a thing. IW will fall and it may very well bring the coalition with it.
tigger123 wrote: » Like people are refusing to pay the property tax?
VinLieger wrote: » Yes and i'm saying what then? IW fails where do we get our water from, the colaition fails who's next? Independents and SF? Im gonna use an analogy someone else used for what this would be like, have you ever tried to herd cats? We may not want to pay for our water but guess what sometimes life is not fair and children don't get to have ice cream for dinner.
Smidge wrote: » Look, you and I both know how much money that has already been paid into IW. It will cost €650 MILLION to get IW up and running and if every single household in the state pays, it will bring in €150 MILLION. Shortfall of €500 MILLION which is going to be funded by the state. We both well know that the LA could upgrade the current system and run it perfectly well with €650 MILLION. But that wouldn't profit private individuals though.
irishfeen wrote: » You think €650 million will fix all the issues in the country in the water/wastewater networks?
VinLieger wrote: » The LA being the Left Alliance I assume? Hah good luck getting them to agree on anything beyond Tax the Rich and Fine Gael/Labour out of government, beyond that they are just as bad as the current shower and possibly even worse as they are divided even further as regards keeping their constituents happy being their main focus and actually running the country efficiently being a distant 2nd
Barely There wrote: » Local Authority.
Smidge wrote: » Not if we give it to IW. All it will do then is go into the never ending pit of bonuses and perks and underhanded payments in the never ending circle of backslapping and corruption.
irishfeen wrote: » You don't seem to realise - while the bonuses and perks annoy all of us that the money you talk about is penny's compared with the job IW have to fix the network ... The LAs have been patching up the network for decades - about 80% of the pipelines will probably have to be changed and upgrades along with the building of new treatment plants and reservoirs in most towns and cities in the country ... You talk in millions this is billions upon billions of work needed - you obviously have absolutely no idea of what state the country is in... Just look at the IW website breaks and works site - burst mains, burst pipes, low pressure, no water, boil notice etc.
irishfeen wrote: » You don't seem to realise - while the bonuses and perks annoy all of us that the money you talk about is penny's compared with the job IW have to fix the network ... The LAs have been patching up the network for decades - about 80% of the pipelines will probably have to be changed and upgrades along with the building of new treatment plants and reservoirs in most towns and cities in the country ... You talk in millions this is billions upon billions of work needed - you obviously have absolutely no idea of what state the country is in... Just look at the IW website breaks and works site - burst mains, burst pipes, low pressure, no water, boil notice ... And that's in every single county in the state.
VinLieger wrote: » Exactly and this is why we need 1 single entity to manage and prioritise the fixing of our water infrastructure. The fractured and haphazard nature of the LA's doing it has not worked for the last however many years so something need's to change hence IW.
Smidge wrote: » I don't think you are in any position to speculate about what I know about the "state that the country is in". It's no mystery to me. It's also no mystery that IW will not stand for very much longer.
VEN wrote: » wheres theres 5 tenants occupying an apartment, it says please call Lo-Call 1890 to add more names to bill, as theres just one space asking for First Name and not First Name, can you just put Occupiers on it as the way it came without pps numbers? will it be a case of pulling straws as to whose name goes on it? should be all names, but Occupiers would be easier. I mean it would effectively be telling them the property is Occupied, so should be enough surely. They havent thought of this with strangers living together. F*** it, just ignore it i suppose, they havent even got separate meters sorted plus some of the apartments didnt even get a form! its all a mess
The Revenue Commissioners has said it will pursue hundreds of thousands of individuals who have yet to pay the Household Charge for 2011. The €100 charge was introduced as an interim measure ahead of the Local Property Tax in 2013. Revenue records suggest 460,000 householders who have subsequently paid the Local Property Tax have yet to pay the Household Charge. Chair of the Revenue Commission Josephine Feehily told the Public Accounts Committee the final figure was expected to fall between 400,000 and 500,000 properties.
VEN wrote: » anyone?
Smidge wrote: » Apples and oranges. Not much of a strawman either.
Smidge wrote: » It's also no mystery that IW will not stand for very much longer.
VinLieger wrote: » Yes and i'm saying what then? IW fails where do we get our water from...
